Looking for input on All Purpose SS/Fire/Mu Limitless Build


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Aside from the Panacea set and about three of the purples, I've got everything in the build currently slotted. Not necesarily at level 50, but I've still got all the set bonuses.

So anyway I was wondering if there were any little performance tweaks that could be done with Infernal here to make her perform a bit better, or if I've got things pretty much as good as they can get.

I farm with her, I do trials with her, I run normal content with her. So I'm looking to try and get the best survivability and damage capacity that I can from her. So I'd like to keep her at 32.5 Melee/Smashing/Lethal defense or above so I can pop a purple or two and be softcapped at the various stages.

I know I could get a bit more recharge by swapping out Static Discharge for Mu Lightning and stuffing another purple set in there, but I kind of like the cone.

But aside from that does anyone see any little tweaks that could be made to improve things?

I've got her on Tier 4 Cardiac Core, Ion Core, Reactive Radial, Ageless Radial, and running with the two damage Warworks for help with single targets that are huge sacks of HP.

I'm rather happy with the build and am just curious if there is anything I could shift around to squeeze out the last few bits of optimal performance.

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Infernal Infested: Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(13), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Hectmb-Dam%(36)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), GA-3defTpProc(43)
Level 2: Haymaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Panac-Heal(A), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Panac-Heal/Rchg(5), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11), Panac-Heal/EndRedux(40)
Level 6: Blazing Aura -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(7), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(7), Oblit-%Dam(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 10: Temperature Protection -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(15)
Level 12: Boxing -- Dmg-I(A)
Level 14: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam(34)
Level 18: Rage -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 22: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(A), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23)
Level 24: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 26: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(27), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(48)
Level 28: Burn -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(29), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def(31)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Armgdn-Dam%(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%(34)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 38: Rise of the Phoenix -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(39), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dam%(43)
Level 44: Ball Lightning -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Static Discharge -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dam%(50), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Tactics -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Warworks Core Superior Ally
Level 0: Marshal
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Born In Battle
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(21), Numna-Heal(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(15)
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Set Bonus Totals:

  • 9% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  • 9% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  • 9% DamageBuff(Fire)
  • 9% DamageBuff(Cold)
  • 9% DamageBuff(Energy)
  • 9% DamageBuff(Negative)
  • 9% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  • 9% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  • 22.9% Defense(Smashing)
  • 22.9% Defense(Lethal)
  • 6% Defense(Fire)
  • 6% Defense(Cold)
  • 9.75% Defense(Energy)
  • 9.75% Defense(Negative)
  • 6% Defense(Psionic)
  • 22.9% Defense(Melee)
  • 7.88% Defense(Ranged)
  • 6% Defense(AoE)
  • 90% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 87.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  • 5% FlySpeed
  • 101.2 HP (6.75%) HitPoints
  • 5% JumpHeight
  • 5% JumpSpeed
  • Knockback (Mag -4)
  • Knockup (Mag -4)
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 8.8%
  • MezResist(Stun) 6.6%
  • 21% (0.35 End/sec) Recovery
  • 32% (2 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 10.7% Resistance(Fire)
  • 10.7% Resistance(Cold)
  • 5% RunSpeed



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Originally Posted by reiella View Post
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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Please use a color scheme that's easier on the eyes.

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Infernal Infested: Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(13), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Hectmb-Dam%(36)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), GA-3defTpProc(43)
Level 2: Haymaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Panac-Heal(A), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Panac-Heal/Rchg(5), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11), Panac-Heal/EndRedux(40)
Level 6: Blazing Aura -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(7), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(7), Oblit-%Dam(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 10: Temperature Protection -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(15)
Level 12: Boxing -- Dmg-I(A)
Level 14: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam(34)
Level 18: Rage -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 22: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(A), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23)
Level 24: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 26: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(27), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(48)
Level 28: Burn -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(29), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def(31)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Armgdn-Dam%(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%(34)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 38: Rise of the Phoenix -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(39), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dam%(43)
Level 44: Ball Lightning -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Static Discharge -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dam%(50), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Tactics -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Warworks Core Superior Ally
Level 0: Marshal
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Born In Battle
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(21), Numna-Heal(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(15)



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Have you considered Rebirth Radial?
With Cardiac all your end problems should be taken care of so it seems redundant to have ageless as well.
Rebirth Radial Epiphany gives you a large heal followed by a large amount of regen for the duration.

I find it wonderful on my SS/FA/Mu.


 

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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator View Post
Have you considered Rebirth Radial?
With Cardiac all your end problems should be taken care of so it seems redundant to have ageless as well.
Rebirth Radial Epiphany gives you a large heal followed by a large amount of regen for the duration.

I find it wonderful on my SS/FA/Mu.
Radial isn't for Endurance, it's for Recharge and Defense Debuff protection. Without it Longbow tend to eat me alive. The Recharge is just a bonus.

Though I supposed I could go and craft a Rebirth. I will need something to do with all these shards that keep falling in my lap.


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Originally Posted by reiella View Post
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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At a quick glance I'd put the hecatombs in Haymaker and put a rech/end from a KB set on KO Blow (or a Crushing Impact acc/dam/rech) remobing the numina heal from health.


 

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okay before i post my brute build how do you guys get that much money?


 

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You mention Ageless (Destiny) but I don't see that in the posted build. I haven't loaded it into Mids, so I can't be sure if it is there or not. Is that a Mids bug or what?

If you never exemp, you can ignore some of this. It's just designed to get the powers at more appropriate levels.

I'd put Temperature Protection at a much higher level. The Steadfast bonuses are considered Set Bonuses, so you get them based on the level of the IOs you have slotted. You can take Temperature Protection at 49, but if the IOs are level 10 then you'll have the KB protection and +3% Def at level 7. And you probably don't need massive Fire Resistance at such a low level.

The Enhancement levels aren't shown in the printed build, so I don't know what level the LotG procs are. If you exemp much, you probably want level 25 LotGs. You get almost as much Defense, but the +7.5% Recharge will work all the way down to level 22.

Maneuvers is considerably more END expensive than Combat Jumping. Do you ever run it? I'd put CJ at 14, Consume at 20, and Maneuvers at 22. Plus Tactics seems useless, except for the Perception. Your ToHit from Rage, plus Accuracy from set bonuses and slotting puts you way over the top against almost anything. If you only have Leadership for the LotG slot and Perception, you might want to consider Concealment instead. You can get 2 LotGs and use yellow Inspiration for Perception as needed.

I assume you're using Sprint and Ninja Run for travel powers. That's a little END expensive, and somewhat slow. You could replace Tactics with Super Speed if you don't do Concealment as above. Add a Micro HO to be at or near the run speed cap, and it'll be cheaper. The stealth from Super Speed plus an Unbounded Leap: +Stealth in Sprint will give you enough Invis to stealth things.

I'd consider slotting Consume with 3 Perf Shifters: End/Rech, End/Rech/Acc, Rech/Acc. Better set bonuses, assuming you don't already have 5 of the same +Health.

I've never liked cones on PBAoE oriented characters. Consider Summon Striker instead of Static Discharge. The Recharge and Recovery bonuses are the same, but you get 1.89% Sm/Le Resist and more Health. Plus Patron pets are really overpowered on high recharge builds, when you can have them out almost all the time.


Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I've moved on to Diablo 3, TopDoc-1304

 

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Originally Posted by evil women for pinn View Post
okay before i post my brute build how do you guys get that much money?
Go and read the marketing forum. They have many tips and guides for becoming filthy.

And rich.

The first billion is the only hard part.


 

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Originally Posted by TopDoc View Post
You mention Ageless (Destiny) but I don't see that in the posted build. I haven't loaded it into Mids, so I can't be sure if it is there or not. Is that a Mids bug or what?
I have it turned off since it shows with the high numbers all the time and throws things off.

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I'd put Temperature Protection at a much higher level. The Steadfast bonuses are considered Set Bonuses, so you get them based on the level of the IOs you have slotted. You can take Temperature Protection at 49, but if the IOs are level 10 then you'll have the KB protection and +3% Def at level 7. And you probably don't need massive Fire Resistance at such a low level.
Honestly I don't really have anything that jumps out as me needing to take it all that much more down at that level.

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The Enhancement levels aren't shown in the printed build, so I don't know what level the LotG procs are. If you exemp much, you probably want level 25 LotGs. You get almost as much Defense, but the +7.5% Recharge will work all the way down to level 22.
Typically I buy and slot 'em as level 30ish, cause it seems like a nice, even number.

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Maneuvers is considerably more END expensive than Combat Jumping. Do you ever run it? I'd put CJ at 14, Consume at 20, and Maneuvers at 22. Plus Tactics seems useless, except for the Perception. Your ToHit from Rage, plus Accuracy from set bonuses and slotting puts you way over the top against almost anything. If you only have Leadership for the LotG slot and Perception, you might want to consider Concealment instead. You can get 2 LotGs and use yellow Inspiration for Perception as needed.
Yup, I run it all the time, as it makes sure I keep my Defense at the magic number where I can pop a purple and be softcapped. With Cardiac it's not particularly expensive or noticeable when I have it on and when I have it off.

Tactics is there mainly because of the Confuse duration shortening. I'm far more liable to remember to toggle it on then keep a break free in my tray when I'm fighting CoT. I also have it toggled on during 24 man BAF raids for the same reason.

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I assume you're using Sprint and Ninja Run for travel powers. That's a little END expensive, and somewhat slow. You could replace Tactics with Super Speed if you don't do Concealment as above. Add a Micro HO to be at or near the run speed cap, and it'll be cheaper. The stealth from Super Speed plus an Unbounded Leap: +Stealth in Sprint will give you enough Invis to stealth things.
Running from Point A to Point B, End doesn't really drop and I don't ever have a travel power on all the time. If I do I kind of crash into walls. Super Speed is too zippy for me to control well, so I stick with Ninja Run or Super Jump.

But that's a rather good suggestion.

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I'd consider slotting Consume with 3 Perf Shifters: End/Rech, End/Rech/Acc, Rech/Acc. Better set bonuses, assuming you don't already have 5 of the same +Health.
Good idea! I overlooked this.

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I've never liked cones on PBAoE oriented characters. Consider Summon Striker instead of Static Discharge. The Recharge and Recovery bonuses are the same, but you get 1.89% Sm/Le Resist and more Health. Plus Patron pets are really overpowered on high recharge builds, when you can have them out almost all the time.
I've never bothered, as they tend to get gobbled up quickly with large spawns. Static Discharge tends to get its use in farming when I don't have to worry about positioning as well as in spawns that have a tendency to park themselves in a spot and blast (Rikti Drones, Clockwork).

All in all thank you for the advice.

Is that little bit of health really worth it? And am I underestimating the power of the pet? (I run on +0x8 most of the time except when AE farming.)


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Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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I've never liked cones on PBAoE oriented characters. Consider Summon Striker instead of Static Discharge. The Recharge and Recovery bonuses are the same, but you get 1.89% Sm/Le Resist and more Health. Plus Patron pets are really overpowered on high recharge builds, when you can have them out almost all the time.
I've never bothered, as they tend to get gobbled up quickly with large spawns. Static Discharge tends to get its use in farming when I don't have to worry about positioning as well as in spawns that have a tendency to park themselves in a spot and blast (Rikti Drones, Clockwork).

Is that little bit of health really worth it? And am I underestimating the power of the pet? (I run on +0x8 most of the time except when AE farming.)
I should have mentioned slotting Summon Striker with Call to Arms, which has similar bonuses to the Posi Blast in Static Discharge except for the SM/LE Resist and +Health.

No the +Health isn't really worth it alone. That combined with the extra Resistance is more tempting, but not enough. My recommendation is mainly based on the higher value of pets which you can have out almost all the time, as opposed to a cone on a PBAoE character. Obviously it's only good if the pets actually survive for their full duration, and I see in your circumstances that they may not. They won't last more than a few seconds in an Ambush farm. Soloing at x8, they will draw too much agro. Pets like attacking less wounded enemies. All those annoying mobs that hang back to attack you at range will be attacked by the Striker, and will return fire on it. Patron Pets are better for support characters who can keep them alive if needed, or for fighting smaller spawns (or AVs) where there is less random agro. If you actually use Static Discharge on a regular basis, then certainly keep it. That will probably be more damage than the pet.


Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I've moved on to Diablo 3, TopDoc-1304

 

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PLing stalkers for 40 million Inf a run, plus marketeering.
its to bad that my farmer is on union and i charge little and im nice


 

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40mil per run jesus, wtf dude? That better be like...lvl 1-26 sized runs.

I personally dont understand the trend up charging people to get PLed...but here on guardian doing that is considered a bit of dick move.


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40mil per run jesus, wtf dude? That better be like...lvl 1-26 sized runs.

I personally dont understand the trend up charging people to get PLed...but here on guardian doing that is considered a bit of dick move.
yeah 40 mil a run is quite pricey, on freedom ill do 10 mil/ open farm and 20 mil/private on my dm/fire brute. Usually around 4 and half mins for cyborgs.

But charging ppl for a PL isnt a dick move, its generally normal for xp. Other option is actually playing the game which i agree most ppl need to do B4 Pl'ing toons to 50 and then not knowing how to play the game at all and being a total newb on end game content and asking stupid questions that would of been learned thru playing the game normally.


 

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Other option is actually playing the game which i agree most ppl need to do B4 Pl'ing toons to 50 and then not knowing how to play the game at all and being a total newb on end game content and asking stupid questions that would of been learned thru playing the game normally.
I agree with you about playing your toons so you know their capabilities at the higher levels, if you don't know what they can do it makes you less effective individually and as a team member. I -do- however disagree about your comments on stupid questions/newb on end game content.

You don't know end game until you get a chance to play end game stuff. You could have leveled a character in the standard path from 1 to 50 and still not have a clue about what End Game is. End Game isn't just about the character after all, it's about the events given to the higher levels to play and overcome. If it's your first trip ever to a BAF or Lambda, you're not going to know what goes on and what to do.

I've personally been in two different types of end game groups as I've learned the Incarnate stuff. My first group was a BAF, where the leader took the time to answer my -stupid- questions, allowing me to learn as I went, feel productive, and enjoy the experiance very much.
My second one was a Lambda, which is more difficult that a BAF to start with, and I received absolutely no help or tolerance for not knowing what I was doing, even with it being my FIRST time doing a Lambda. It was an extremely stressfull run and no fun at all.

And FUN, is why we play, after all.

So next time you see a newb or someone asking -stupid- questions, give em a break, okay? Not everyone knows this game inside and out from beginning to End Game. New players do join all the time... I hate to think they come across you as they progress.


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40mil per run jesus, wtf dude? That better be like...lvl 1-26 sized runs.

I personally dont understand the trend up charging people to get PLed...but here on guardian doing that is considered a bit of dick move.
40 mil is too much sure, but this is common practice in Virtue and Freedom. And for a long time - I joined in i9, I think my first 50 was in i10 (took me three months to level her since it was harder) and first time I got to Peregrine Island, there was a spam of fire/kins announcing like '1 mil a run on Battle Maiden' and lowbies broadcasting 'lowbie paying 1 mil a run'. IIRC the lowbies broadcast was more frequent than the farmers'.

Of course back then 1 mil was a normal pice for that because you could buy a good IO set. After purples the price raised a bit, not much because the recipes were like 30 mil each. Now that a purple set can get to 1 billion prices are much higher.

Roll a toon on Freedom or Virtue, go to AE in Atlas at like 9pm and you'll see. Well you don't even need to enter AE since you'll see the broadcast but if you go inside the AE building you'll see a TON of SS/Fire Brutes and lowbies of all kinds asking to be PLed and saying they'll pay X for each run.

Actually the exception there (which I took advantage of, I don't usually PL my toons) is when it's like 4 am and some bored farmer feels lonely and decides to offer a free run or two to people (or, of course, if you're in a SG/VG with people who farm, the Brazilian coalition I was part of before I left for 2 years never charged people, neither a VG I was also part of that PL'ed my brute to 40 long ago just because I wanted to see what Granite was all about).


 

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40mil per run jesus, wtf dude? That better be like...lvl 1-26 sized runs.

I personally dont understand the trend up charging people to get PLed...but here on guardian doing that is considered a bit of dick move.
Stalkers aren't people. :P I charge non-stalkers less.


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Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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i only charge 30mil total not per run total but apperently im too nice one of my friends got his friend to get me to farm then he told his friend about me iyiye and now 3 other of my friends want farming its so not easy farming 5 people plus more of their friends its so not easy


 

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i only charge 30mil total not per run total but apperently im too nice one of my friends got his friend to get me to farm then he told his friend about me iyiye and now 3 other of my friends want farming its so not easy farming 5 people plus more of their friends its so not easy
Exactly why I charge what I charge. The folks that can pay know how to play the game well enough to earn the money to pay me, so I'm not making AE babies, and the freeloaders that'll pester me non stop to PL them shut up the moment I mention my rates.


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Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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Roll a toon on Freedom or Virtue, go to AE in Atlas at like 9pm and you'll see. Well you don't even need to enter AE since you'll see the broadcast but if you go inside the AE building you'll see a TON of SS/Fire Brutes and lowbies of all kinds asking to be PLed and saying they'll pay X for each run.


First, don't play on Freedum. I swear, every now and again I hop on a toon I have exiled over there, and just stare at the broadcast channel, to remind myself of the value of my nice, quiet, adult, home server.

Second, when Freedom hits, I expect the whole AE farm thing to collapse, because the ftp'rs can't get in AE. Or, maybe the Devs will make a ton of money, who knows.

Third, you can make SO much money without doing the PL thing, why prostitute yourself for it? I'll freely admit I farm when the mood strikes, but I mainly do it for tickets or purples, and because I reallllly like the carnage. I've never asked for nor received money for it.


 

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Exactly why I charge what I charge. The folks that can pay know how to play the game well enough to earn the money to pay me, so I'm not making AE babies, and the freeloaders that'll pester me non stop to PL them shut up the moment I mention my rates.
well thats really true and but still and i love your idea i really like it maybe ill do it but one thing is for certain im not charging friends for me to PL but ever once in a while i say sry im bored of farming i do the Crey's Fire Cyborgs farm and the with farm chick magnet farm and the DISCO and the occasional mix the farms up


 

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well thats really true and but still and i love your idea i really like it maybe ill do it but one thing is for certain im not charging friends for me to PL but ever once in a while i say sry im bored of farming i do the Crey's Fire Cyborgs farm and the with farm chick magnet farm and the DISCO and the occasional mix the farms up
sry with is supposed to be witch


 

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Third, you can make SO much money without doing the PL thing, why prostitute yourself for it? I'll freely admit I farm when the mood strikes, but I mainly do it for tickets or purples, and because I reallllly like the carnage. I've never asked for nor received money for it.
I find being paid to PL people a more hassle-free way of getting INF. With rolling tickets there's the amount of time it takes to roll them up, delete the crap, go to the market and craft them, looking up the proper prices and so on.

Most of the time I just farm to 9999 tickets with a PL partner in tow and earn another 150-200 million for the run on top of what I make for drops.


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Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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First, don't play on Freedum. I swear, every now and again I hop on a toon I have exiled over there, and just stare at the broadcast channel, to remind myself of the value of my nice, quiet, adult, home server.

Second, when Freedom hits, I expect the whole AE farm thing to collapse, because the ftp'rs can't get in AE. Or, maybe the Devs will make a ton of money, who knows.

Third, you can make SO much money without doing the PL thing, why prostitute yourself for it? I'll freely admit I farm when the mood strikes, but I mainly do it for tickets or purples, and because I reallllly like the carnage. I've never asked for nor received money for it.
You totally misunderstood me.

I never said I PL people for money, I was just answering a question from ultrawatt, he said he found strange that people charged others for PLing on his server and that's considered a 'dick move' where he plays.

So I told him to make a toon on Freedom or Virtue to see that this is the norm over there, just to check, I didn't tell him to go play on Freedom. Again, I only told him to do it to check that it's a common practice in these servers, since he found it strange that people are discussing here how much they charge for PLing others.

I also never paid for a PL because when I wanted I had friends who would do it for me (tho I don't like being PL'ed anymore unless it's a reroll of some old toon I deleted like I self-pled a Warshade to 22, I had one at 35 I deleted long ago).

Server opinions are personal, I have been playing more on Virtue but before my break I was mainly a Freedom player and had very few bad experiences there. Broadcast isn't bad on most areas besides PI and Atlas (Cap au Diablo is a bit, but broadcast never bothered me).

Each server has its characteristics. A friend told me to make a toon on Justice and I got shocked at the number of team and SG blind invites I got every time I logged there. This almost never happens to me on Freedom or Virtue, on Justice it was all the time blueside (redside it was okay), bothered me far more than the broadcast on freedom and virtue. And yes I put 'pst for invite' and it didn't make the situation better, on Freedom/Virtue I don't need to write that to avoid blind invites.

Nothing against Justice or any other server, I just find statements like 'never play on server X' ridiculous because they're largely personal preference. If something bothers you, like the Freedom broadcast, or like the blueside blind invites bothered me on Justice, just go play in another place instead of insulting it.

Ok now I'll stop derailing the thread.