A short time grace period for respec
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Arctic_Princess,
Posted on: 2011-07-22 06:57 in Suggestions and Ideas
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1. Use the test server. Do your respec there, make sure you have everything, copy the build and redo it on live.
2. Mids. Download, work out your respec, follow your "leveling plan" as you do it.
3. Second build. Consider it a "free respec" if you haven't used it (you get a second at ten, a third when you unlock your Alpha slot.) Use that, don't worry about slotting, make sure you have everything, give it a trial run, then copy it over and do it on your main build.
(TitanSentinel from cit.cohtitan.com, will let you export your build to Mids to look at/print out.)
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/all of the above
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Options:
1. Use the test server. Do your respec there, make sure you have everything, copy the build and redo it on live. 2. Mids. Download, work out your respec, follow your "leveling plan" as you do it. 3. Second build. Consider it a "free respec" if you haven't used it (you get a second at ten, a third when you unlock your Alpha slot.) Use that, don't worry about slotting, make sure you have everything, give it a trial run, then copy it over and do it on your main build. (TitanSentinel from cit.cohtitan.com, will let you export your build to Mids to look at/print out.) |
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None of which cover the human error of "Woops, I clicked this power, when I mean to click that power" or something similar. |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Options:
1. Use the test server. Do your respec there, make sure you have everything, copy the build and redo it on live. 2. Mids. Download, work out your respec, follow your "leveling plan" as you do it. 3. Second build. Consider it a "free respec" if you haven't used it (you get a second at ten, a third when you unlock your Alpha slot.) Use that, don't worry about slotting, make sure you have everything, give it a trial run, then copy it over and do it on your main build. (TitanSentinel from cit.cohtitan.com, will let you export your build to Mids to look at/print out.) |
I have did this a few times, picked Jump Kick instead of Combat Jumping, usually I realize it during the slotting phase though.
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Well, you know... not that I want to seem entirely lacking in compassion here, but at what point do you step back and say, "This problem calls for a nice hot steaming mug of pay attention"? I mean, it's a respec, at high levels it's not exactly a small job in the first place, and it's not as if it has to be performed under time pressure. It's not Final Jeopardy!, for pete's sake. Take notes! |
Originally Posted by Primantiss
None of which cover the human error of "Woops, I clicked this power, when I mean to click that power" or something similar.
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Anyway, at least one of Bill's suggestions works in the "since this hasn't been implemented, even if it someday may be, and you've got this problem now, here are few things you can try to mitigate the situation" sense. I've noticed that kind of thing often seems to make people get defensive, which is odd, since it's helpful.
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People in the suggestions forum aren't asking for help, they're trying to suggest improvements for the game. It's like if you call the police to arrest a robber, and they say you should just bury your money in the backyard so he won't find it if you don't want him to steal it.|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Anyway, at least one of Bill's suggestions works in the "since this hasn't been implemented, even if it someday may be, and you've got this problem now, here are few things you can try to mitigate the situation" sense. I've noticed that kind of thing often seems to make people get defensive, which is odd, since it's helpful.
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Anyway I don't think the suggestion would work. No matter how long the grace period is, it wouldn't be enough for some people. Maybe you'll notice your mistake in ten minutes, but someone else won't notice it for thirty minutes. Or an hour. Or until the next morning when they next log in. And what happens with your enhancements? Do you get them back too? What if you unslotted an enhancement, and between finishing the respec and reverting it, you sold the enhancement to someone and they slotted it? Either someone loses their enhancement or it gets duplicated, and neither is a good option.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
People in the suggestions forum aren't asking for help, they're trying to suggest improvements for the game. It's like if you call the police to arrest a robber, and they say you should just bury your money in the backyard so he won't find it if you don't want him to steal it.
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Yeah, that's the thing - you go through and pick your powers. Easy to miss. |
Originally Posted by Primantiss
None of which cover the human error of "Woops, I clicked this power, when I mean to click that power" or something similar.
I have did this a few times, picked Jump Kick instead of Combat Jumping, usually I realize it during the slotting phase though. |
But with Mids, or checking out a previous build, etc - you've got a checklist. Even if you don't use those, you have - as you mentioned above - the slotting phase. "OK, I want 3 slots in Emu Chucking... wait, I didn't pick up Emu Chucking??" *back back back back back*
Even if you go through all the power picking, all the slotting, there's that last "Are you SURE you want to do this? If you hit OK, it'll be permanent!"
It's a lot to go through - and the times I've heard of someone missing something, 90% of the time, ten minutes wouldn't help. (Insert "I respecced while drunk and didn't pick up a travel power" story here.) However, while a bit spendy (if you're going with IOs,) you DO have that second (or third) build.
I wouldn't argue, FWIW, with making the "Place powers in tray" phase part of the respec just to force a final check on the player, though. Plus it'd let me NOT have to clear the tray of the rock/brawl/taser dart/flight pack I no longer need/four extra sprints/etc.
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Been there, done that. I once spent the whole enhancement replacement phase wondering why I had all these extra slots to work with from the slot allocation phase that my previous build didn't have. I did look everything over a couple of times before finally committing. I do my respecs slowly following my paper and pencil plan, so I'm pretty cautious about it. However, when my mind is ignoring something, there's nothing I can do about it. Of course, the problem was obvious once I looked at my build outside of the respec screens.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Well, you know... not that I want to seem entirely lacking in compassion here, but at what point do you step back and say, "This problem calls for a nice hot steaming mug of pay attention"? I mean, it's a respec, at high levels it's not exactly a small job in the first place, and it's not as if it has to be performed under time pressure. It's not Final Jeopardy!, for pete's sake. Take notes!
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This thread should have been done after the first response.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Often - as in this case - the suggestion has come about by way of saying, "I have a problem. It could be prevented in future cases by changing x about the game." I don't see anything out of line in responses including something along the lines of, "In the meantime, you might want to try y that's already available."|
Originally Posted by Vanden
People in the suggestions forum aren't asking for help, they're trying to suggest improvements for the game.
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To take a variation on your "cops and robbers" example, that scenario is more like discovering that someone taking your money from wherever you left it was not, in fact, illegal. Your state legislature may get around to fixing that; in the meantime, try not leaving your money there.
In that case, you're second-guessing people. People don't like that. A lot of times it comes with the condescending "problem solved" attitude, and people also don't like being condescended.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
Pointless argument is pointless.
Bill's points are all worthy solutions.
I've cocked up a respec (or several...) before now. The grace period - why does it need to be changed exactly? If it's a QoL issue for one person then certainly it doesn't. If it's a QoL issue for many people then perhaps the idea will be listened to.
At this point in time I just see one person who mucked up their respec. Next time, write stuff down.
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Yup, yup my most two common mistakes are picking up the wrong Tier1/2 blast (or picking them in the wrong order), or picking Jump Kick instead of Combat Kicking (not sure why honestly, but it does happen to me frequently)|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Yeah, that's the thing - you go through and pick your powers. Easy to miss.
But with Mids, or checking out a previous build, etc - you've got a checklist. Even if you don't use those, you have - as you mentioned above - the slotting phase. "OK, I want 3 slots in Emu Chucking... wait, I didn't pick up Emu Chucking??" *back back back back back* |
Fortunately I almost always realize this during the slotting phase when I'm allocating slots.
Nowadays though I do double check directly against my Mids build, on a power-per-power basis, usually once after the power picks, and twice after the slot allocation.
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Nice idea.|
Originally Posted by Noehl
It would be nice to have a very short grace period for respecing. Even if only for like 10 minutes.. I just got done with my final respec, thinking everything went out perfect, but as I was moving my powers into my hotkey slots, I suddenly noticed that I had missed one very important power. One of my major attack powers. It's going to cost me more inf than I have to buy a respec token for one single detail.
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I love Mids and recommend it to everyone planning a respec but it shouldn't be necessary. Unfortunately without using Mids there are some things about a respec you can't really tell you've got right without checking your Combat Attributes screen and thats not available during Respec. A period of grace would help greatly.
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I'm not sure about a grace period, but the larger point about the respec interface being less than ideal is heard and agreed with.
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I will never understand why people who resent discussion about Suggestions so much spend so much time hanging out in the Suggestions forum.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
This thread should have been done after the first response.
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It would be nice to have a very short grace period for respecing. Even if only for like 10 minutes.. I just got done with my final respec, thinking everything went out perfect, but as I was moving my powers into my hotkey slots, I suddenly noticed that I had missed one very important power. One of my major attack powers. It's going to cost me more inf than I have to buy a respec token for one single detail.