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Yep, pretty much. I didn't mind Norton. I don't know who I liked better as Banner because you have to take the rest of the movie into consideration since the characters were different on top of the difference in acting.
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Norton seemed to be like how Banner was at the start of the Hulk comic, smart, somewhat emotional, afraid of the Hulk and wanting to be rid of it, but also not going all weepy eyed and capable of showing a good range of emotions such as his shock, fear and outrage when he found out how much Sterns was experimenting and harvesting that blood sample he sent him. This was also the Banner that we had in the early issues of the comic that realized the only thing to save the day was the HULK and would zap himself with the gamma machine to trigger the change into a brutish but still heroic Hulk. the savage HULK SMASH Hulk wouldn't come until years later.
For me they should try a third movie that gives us the Hulk as he was in the beginning and currently is in the comic: brutish, not as smart as Banner, able to speak more then HULK SMASH! Bring his power levels back up to comic book level, remember HULK can face THOR in direct combat the Hulk we had in 2008 couldn't IMO. Have a stock footage cameo of Bixby, a Ferrigno cameo, a suitable Jack Kirby tribute, Stan's cameo, and then move on with the film. Also I'd be sorely tempted to have Grey Hulk pop up for a bit in the movie too.
2) The Hulk looked more real, IMO, and not fake and plasticy (a word I made up) like in the second one.
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I always felt that if the Hulk was indeed Banner's inner rage given form; that thing would look like a ****ing monster. The newer Hulk had a craggier looking mug and his overall physique was a little more knotted and veiny.
Putting it overly simply, the Bana-Hulk looked more like the star of a Disney movie. Sure, he could be scary when he was raging, but he could also look all hurt and sympathetic. You could just picture some small boy tentatively handing him a candy bar as an act of friendship.
Norton's Hulk looked a little more like something you'd steer clear of even when he wasn't smashing stuff. Looking at him you wouldn't think, "Oh, now that he's calm you can actually see how vulnerable and human he looks". You'd think, "Oh, he's calm now. I'd better take the opportunity to get the **** outta here before he loses his temper again".
I enjoyed Ang Lee's Hulk well enough, though I prefer the newer movie if I had to choose. And considering I loathe the Transformers movies, I'm not sure what that means for my status as an apparent Michael Bay groupie. Though I will point out that big-time action and explosions are the least of Bay's sins. He has plenty others to call him on.
Oddly enough, I felt exactly the opposite. I don't know if it was the brighter shade of green or what, but Ang Lee's Hulk just didn't look as.... well.... Hulk-like as I thought he should. Perhaps because they kept the face so human and had one too many shots of him looking like a wounded puppy.
I always felt that if the Hulk was indeed Banner's inner rage given form; that thing would look like a ****ing monster. The newer Hulk had a craggier looking mug and his overall physique was a little more knotted and veiny. Putting it overly simply, the Bana-Hulk looked more like the star of a Disney movie. Sure, he could be scary when he was raging, but he could also look all hurt and sympathetic. You could just picture some small boy tentatively handing him a candy bar as an act of friendship. Norton's Hulk looked a little more like something you'd steer clear of even when he wasn't smashing stuff. Looking at him you wouldn't think, "Oh, now that he's calm you can actually see how vulnerable and human he looks". You'd think, "Oh, he's calm now. I'd better take the opportunity to get the **** outta here before he loses his temper again". I enjoyed Ang Lee's Hulk well enough, though I prefer the newer movie if I had to choose. And considering I loathe the Transformers movies, I'm not sure what that means for my status as an apparent Michael Bay groupie. Though I will point out that big-time action and explosions are the least of Bay's sins. He has plenty others to call him on. |
Some of you keep bringing up that in Hulk, Bruce was a “baby” when his father killed his mother. But after going over those scenes again, I find that he was 4-5 years old. He was big enough that his shoulders are about at the same level as the dining table. That’s plenty old enough for an impressionable mind to equate losing control of emotions with people dying.
There’s also some hints in the beginning of the movie that Bruce had something in him from the get-go. When his father takes purposefully takes his pacifier away and watches what happens, we are shown some strange bruise like discolorations that show up on his legs. In another quick scene where Bruce comes on from playing with a friend, and his friend reports that “Jack hit him with the stick, but Bruce wouldn’t hit him back. He just stood there shaking.” After Bruces mom puts a band-aid on his forehead, we are treated to a close-up of his arm, which has the same bruise-like patterns (though more greenish this time) on his elbow and wrist.
Of course, the theory of Bruce seeing his mom killed by his father causing him to keep his emotions inside is undermined by this same scene when his mom responds to her visiting friend’s comment about how Bruce didn’t cry by telling the friend “That’s Bruce. He’s like that. He’s just so…bottled up.” And this is maybe a five year old Bruce. Of course, if there was ongoing physical abuse of his mother by his father (however unseen), coupled with what we are shown of the emotional abuse by his father, this could mean that at an early age Bruce equated strong emotions with someone getting hurt.
But the movie does show in a few scenes Bruce’s dad was not nice to him on a regular basis. This is the emotional abuse. And this leads him to suppress his early childhood after his mother is killed. It would also be where the split personality comes from.
Of course both Hulk movies gel with the comics with Bruce having something in his genetic makeup that lets him survive the massive dose of gamma radiation. In the comics it’s a gamma bomb, and it’s something about his genes that let him absorb the energy and change. Just like the Fantastic Four had something special about them that allowed them to survive the cosmic radiation that changed them into what they are. And Spiderman had something special in him that reacted to the irradiated spider venom that changed him. In Marvel, all the Mutates (which are different from Mutants in that Mutants are born with their powers, while a Mutate is changed by some event) have something special about their make-up that not only allows them to survive things that should kill them, but tends to give them powers derived from the thing that should have killed them. Heck, it’s even been suggested a couple times that Steve Rogers responded so well to the Super Soldier serum because of his genetic make-up. (also why the Super Soldier Serum hasn’t been successfully replicated in others.)
Another thing about the Hulk movie that most people don’t mention (or perhaps they don’t know) is that the motion capture model for all the CGI Hulk stuff was Ang Lee himself. He knew exactly how he wanted the Hulk to act, and did so himself. And I can’t say he did a bad job.
It was mentioned in this very thread and it is also right on the DVD, you can see him doing the motion capture.
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Ah. I musta missed that part of the post.
Anyways, I liked both Hulk movies. I also felt that even though Marvel tried to distance the Incredible Hulk movie from the Hulk movie, the Banners in one to the other was a progression of the character.
Banner in Hulk was the one who just found out about his curse he has to deal with. Only at the end do we see him starting to use it and look for solitude and a way to control it or get rid of it.
Banner in Incredible Hulk starts in South America, where Hulk ended, and is actively trying to find a cure for the conditiona and while that, trying to find ways to control it.
To me the Banner of Hulk naturally flows into the Banner of Incredible Hulk. But, that's just my mind. Yours might work differently.
Ah. I musta missed that part of the post.
Anyways, I liked both Hulk movies. I also felt that even though Marvel tried to distance the Incredible Hulk movie from the Hulk movie, the Banners in one to the other was a progression of the character. Banner in Hulk was the one who just found out about his curse he has to deal with. Only at the end do we see him starting to use it and look for solitude and a way to control it or get rid of it. Banner in Incredible Hulk starts in South America, where Hulk ended, and is actively trying to find a cure for the conditiona and while that, trying to find ways to control it. To me the Banner of Hulk naturally flows into the Banner of Incredible Hulk. But, that's just my mind. Yours might work differently. |
Hulk only had 3 flaws...
1) Over use of the comic style frames. It wasn't bad. It was just over used.
2) Talbot's WTF IS THAT outline when he's caught in an explosion.
3) End fight scene. While I liked the "YOU WANT IT! YOU CAN HAVE IT!" style line, maybe they should of had a better fight scene before it got to that point.
With Incredible Hulk, I really just didnt have any complaints.
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God I hope they don't base Avengers Hulk on Ultimate Hulk. Ultimate Hulk is evil and disgusting, a cannibal would-be rapist. He represents everything I hate about Mark Millar's work.
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Heck, the last Hulk flick was a half-step between 616 (Gamma overexposure on a person with the gamma mutant gene) and 1610 (super soldier development).
Anyhoo, I'm not asking for Hulk to go all LOEG-Mr. Hyde, **** and eat a few people, etc. Just observing one hell of an entrance.
There is certainly no one taking Bill Bixby's place yet.
Although, I will say that any actor worth his salt will be able to go through all of that character searching without having done any previous films. Whether or not we're lucky enough to get the right guy is a different story. I'll just say that it's possible. |
I really think Edward Norton got painfully close to the Bixby interpretation, but that moment has passed now. I really think it'll take someone who gets passionate for the role and just brings it to the table like how Ledger did with the Joker and took what was an already iconic character to a new place, a new and haunting look at the character.
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Well the Nick Fury IS the Ultimates version at least...
Heck, the last Hulk flick was a half-step between 616 (Gamma overexposure on a person with the gamma mutant gene) and 1610 (super soldier development). Anyhoo, I'm not asking for Hulk to go all LOEG-Mr. Hyde, **** and eat a few people, etc. Just observing one hell of an entrance. |
The movies seem to be borrowing a lot from the Ultimate-verse plots, but keeping the 616 personalities. Which I approve of since just about everyone in the Ultimates was a total jerk or worse.
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I'd have less issues with the comic if it had been a bunch of pastiches like Watchmen (though I still don't like non-consensual sex and cannibalism in my comics).
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I was disappointed in the movie. The comic was awesome. With the exception of the extra unnecessary pounding the Silver Surfer took, that's the Hulk I want to see in the live action movies. Too bad World War Hulk totally ruined the whole thing.
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I have the simple excuse that, whilst I know a fair amount of the Hulk in the comics, I never actually read the comic version of Planet Hulk. Which I will at some point. With relation to the Silver Surfer scene though, I do know that movie-wise he was bound to 20th century Fox so Marvel couldn't use him in the Planet Hulk film. Having already done 'Hulk Vs Thor', the similarly powerful Beta Ray Bill was the best stand in they could get.
One of the main things I liked on the film was the fact that he doesn't seem to be able to work out why they aren't looking at him like a monster. It's a level of intelligence that the live action movies are JUST coming to at the end of Incredible Hulk. Now, will they continue that in The Avengers?
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I have to agree with you there; for all the show's corniness and the revelations long after the show ended that Lou Ferrigno had to run around in slippers and could only be filmed from the knees up , Bill Bixby brought a wonderful quiet dignity to David Banner and you really genuinely empathised with him. I always thought it was a missed opportunity to have him see if he could somehow live with the Hulk instead of constantly trying to cure himself, but that pathos was at the heart of the show.
I really think Edward Norton got painfully close to the Bixby interpretation, but that moment has passed now. I really think it'll take someone who gets passionate for the role and just brings it to the table like how Ledger did with the Joker and took what was an already iconic character to a new place, a new and haunting look at the character. S. |
Yeah, Norton definitely approached that (as he has proven he is capable of doing).
Yeah... nuthin' else to say... you said it.
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Yeah, I know why they couldn't use the Surfer. I was just saying that I didn't like what Hulk did in that scene. You know how Hulk kept beating the hell out of Bill even after he defeated him and broke his control disc? He did that to the Surfer in the comic, too. I understand that the Hulk's power comes from boundless rage, but I really didn't like how he displayed restraint in other areas, but beat the ever loving hell out of a friend of his for no good reason. It didn't fit the rest of the story at all.
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Planet Hulk is a storyline that puts both the live action movies to shame.
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Now if only they can somehow do an animated WORLD WAR HULK movie.
Sorry for the tangent, Jayboh, but I just saw Hulk vs Thor recently...
And I enjoyed that a lot more than I expected.
Not only were the characters well performed, but the fight was something fun.
Somewhat Spoileristic!!!!
Continuously punching someone through a thick mountain is classic!
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Considering all the times Hulk has felt betrayed by friends in the past, not to mention it was so called friends that blasted him into space and he ends up on Sakaar I'd say he had good reason to vent his rage at this point.
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Beating the hell out of the Surfer because Tony, Reed, Dr. Strange, and Black Bolt are jerks isn't justified. And the Surfer didn't say a word about it afterwards, and still called him friend. That made it seem even worse.
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I think he was so worked up that it could have been anyone in there and he'd be punching them into a pulpy mush at that stage. Until an ally pulled him back gently.
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I think he was so worked up that it could have been anyone in there and he'd be punching them into a pulpy mush at that stage. Until an ally pulled him back gently.
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I think it's a writing flaw. They wanted Hulk to be mad at him for the reasons Nericus stated above (hence the "You lousy punk, I thought you were different. But you're just like the rest of them" line at the start of the fight), but it doesn't make any sense. It would make sense for Savage Hulk-- all he'd know is that the Surfer was attacking him. But this Hulk knows what the disks do, to the point that he directly targeted it.
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Don't worry OP, I liked the first Hulk better. 3 big reasons:
1) Better story and character development.
2) The Hulk looked more real, IMO, and not fake and plasticy (a word I made up) like in the second one.
3) Bana > Norton.
YMMV.
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