Transfering a character from the training room to a live server
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Posted on: 2011-07-07 17:33 in Player Questions
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Well if you are referring to my post there was no snark in it. I wasn't even talking to the OP. I was offering a plausible explanation for why the OP might be upset about not being able to transfer his character from the training server to the live servers.|
Originally Posted by tanstaafl
Apologies if you felt my post was directed at you personally; it wasn't. Yours was a helpful, non judgemental response.
It was more a comment about quite a couple of responses that assumed motives or stupidity on the poster, and were generally unhelpful, and more a chance to exercise snarky wit. However, there were fewer of those than was my impression when I first read the thread, showing I guess how the negative is louder than the positive. |
He is after all a NEW PLAYER. If he did receive the free stuff the devs gave out to people on the test server, then it isn't hard to believe that he might get pissed when he finds out he can't take it with him to the live servers.
Not everyone who is a new player has years of experience with MMO's and their test server policies.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
He is a brand new player. How the hell would he know that there's no way to transfer off training room?
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Overreact much?
As an experienced vet, the OP obviously knows all about level bumps on Test. Oh, and of course he knows you can copy a character over repeatedly. Because these things are obvious, right? As for your "ANY MMO" blather, gee, maybe he hasn't played other MMO's. *I* haven't. Not a single one except CoH. |
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
This can't be done. And for good reason. The Devs give characters level bumps from time to time on the Training room server, so you could just start a character out at level 1 there, and wait for a level bump: instant 50!
Also, you can copy over multiples of the same character to the Training room server. If you could transfer them back, you could loot characters, strip them of enhancements, sell them, but still have the original. Basically, this will never happen. Sorry. We could have told you that before if you had asked.  Edit -> Yes! I beat Zombie Man!  |
Aett and Zombie have given you the straight answer. To further illustrate when 20.5 was in BETA they not only allowed us to instantly create a new character that could level from 1-50 but when you went to Ouroborus the Empyrean and Astral vendors were giving away free merits as fast as you could click. The idea was to allow the beta testers to test the system and try out/test all the new emotes/auras/costumes/etc. Now imagine a test character transferring to live with enough EMP and Astral merits to immediately unlock every emote, aura, costume and with enough left over to open every incarnate power and slot all your other characters with tier 4s in each without ever running a single trial. LOL Never going to happen .. you start characters on the live server not on test or beta. You can transfer from live to both of those to test new issues but it doesn't work the other way.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Snark fall out? I was trying to be helpful. Unless you know of some other way to duplicate a character from the test server to the live servers.
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
Why would you ever think that they'd be stupid enough to allow such a thing? Before getting irritated at them for being "unhelpful", try using some common sense... Transfers from a test environment to live aren't allowed in ANY MMO and for good reason...
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
Perhaps if he wasn't quite so ****** about it and had used his brain before whining he wouldn't have gotten the snark.
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
I'll answer both at the same time: Common f***ing sense. It's a TEST ENVIRONMENT. A little common sense will tell you that some unstable and buggy patches ripe for possible exploitation are being tested there for the specific purpose of finding and hammering out those very problems. Who in their right mind would even begin to think you'd be able to transfer from there to the live servers? Hell, the ability to copy ( *COPY*, not transfer ) characters over from live without limits should be enough to make it obvious it's not going to be allowed the other direction. You'd have to be blind not to see how that would be a wide open door for rampant duping.
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Tyger.. in three posts you basically inferred that the OP is stupid, lacks common sense, and is a whinner. You swore at him indirectly twice and made it seem like his post is pure evil or pure stupidity. The COH community has always had a pretty good reputation for being friendly and open unlike many other MMOs that take great joy in making new players feel like N00bs. Is this really how we want to welcome a new player to the game. He asked a question and got an answer. I didn't see one additional comment from him where he continued to try and plead his case for being able to transfer from test to live. I have played COH for 5 and a half years now but it was my first MMO ever so when I first got here I had NO previous MMO experience and had to learn everything by ASKING questions. Fortunately I was invited to an SG with a very friendly group of players that helped me along and now I am the one helping others. Believe it or not ..everyone doesn't play 10 different on line games and we all haven't been doing it for over a decade or more.
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He would have gotten a better response without including the whining about how unhelpful support was in telling him how to do it. That turned innocent ignorance into belligerent self-entitlement. So, yeah, that gets a smack with the snark-bat. And when people come along about how evil a person I am for delivering said well-deserved smack ( A rather soft one, mind you ), my response gets even more negative to them.\
But, the thing is, he didn't just ask. He had to include a wholly unnecessary snipe at support for something that a little thought would make clear that they couldn't help on because it wasn't allowed.
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This is actually the second player I've seen that has made the mistake of starting their trial account on the test server.
I'm guessing that it's confusion stemming from the way the options are presented. I can't say what it's like for other games, but I doubt they present TWO test servers the way CoH does. To an outsider, it may not make immediate sense that there are two pre-release servers; therefore, they may come to some erroneous conclusions:
- City of Heroes Beta - could be interpreted as the place for pre-release testing.
- City of Heroes Test - could then be interpreted as the place for trial accounts to "test things out".
- City of Heroes - could be interpreted as the place for paying subscribers.
It also makes me wonder if the "where are all the people?" threads from new/trial players might stem from this same mistake.
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It's a test environment called TRAINING ROOM. It's not a test environment called TEST SERVER or BETA TESTING. Why would a rank newb automagically think something that's not called test server be a test server? You seem to be skipping over this repeatedly. You have no answer for it, so instead you spout off angry words all over again that do not answer this question.
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
I'll answer both at the same time: Common ******* sense. It's a TEST ENVIRONMENT. A little common sense will tell you that some unstable and buggy patches ripe for possible exploitation are being tested there for the specific purpose of finding and hammering out those very problems. Who in their right mind would even begin to think you'd be able to transfer from there to the live servers? Hell, the ability to copy ( *COPY*, not transfer ) characters over from live without limits should be enough to make it obvious it's not going to be allowed the other direction. You'd have to be blind not to see how that would be a wide open door for rampant duping.
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This is actually the second player I've seen that has made the mistake of starting their trial account on the test server.
I'm guessing that it's confusion stemming from the way the options are presented. I can't say what it's like for other games, but I doubt they present TWO test servers the way CoH does. To an outsider, it may not make immediate sense that there are two pre-release servers; therefore, they may come to some erroneous conclusions:
It also makes me wonder if the "where are all the people?" threads from new/trial players might stem from this same mistake. . |
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
It's a test environment called TRAINING ROOM. It's not a test environment called TEST SERVER or BETA TESTING. Why would a rank newb automagically think something that's not called test server be a test server? You seem to be skipping over this repeatedly. You have no answer for it, so instead you spout off angry words all over again that do not answer this question.
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Another two-fer answer: The problem with that theory is that you have to specially set up a custom shortcut to get into the training room. I find it hard to believe that someone could find the instructions on how to do so without also finding details on what these servers are...
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And someone who might be completely new to online games is supposed to base that common sense on WHAT experience? You can't have 'common' sense if you have zero knowledge in a field.|
Originally Posted by Tyger42
I'll answer both at the same time: Common ******* sense.
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And what are you so angry about? Yikes. How about this: if you think new players are stupid, maybe you should just avoid them and let someone who can talk to them politely deal with them.
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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
Apologies if you felt my post was directed at you personally; it wasn't. Yours was a helpful, non judgemental response.
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In a way I could see my response could have been misinterpreted as snark, but that wasn't the intention of my post.I agree with some posters that the test server could be mistaken for where trial accounts should go, and it should have a warning saying it isn't.
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The experience that led him how to set up access to the training room in the first place which would have made information about what the training room was unavoidable? It's not exactly rocket science to figure out that the characters on a server for testing unfinished patches are secluded from the live server for a reason...|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
And someone who might be completely new to online games is supposed to base that common sense on WHAT experience?
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Edit: Again, it's not so much that he asked, but he had to make the unnecessary snipe at support for not telling him how to transfer the character. Y'all are so desperate to paint me as the evil bully snapping at the poor, innocent newbie that you overlook his belligerent tone that garnered him the snarky response in the first place.
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There's only one problem with the three posts you quoted Wendy, and that the fact that Tyger hadn't made the last two posts yet when Tans|
Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
Snow I think THESE are the posts he was referring to not yours.
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made the comment about "the snark fall out".
Although I do agree in this case that Tyger is overreacting to what the OP said.
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I know Forbin and originally I only had the first post listed since Tans comment came imeediately after it. But by the time I logged here and responded Tyger had made the others and they were very much the same tone so I added them as well. Its seems like only one person is upset by the thread and the OP.. the OP hasn't even posted again .. I think most of us are just chocking it up to young player, perhaps very young, with little or no MMO experience that simply doesn't have a clue until we told him. he's moved on and I intend to as well. Good to see you again |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
There's only one problem with the three posts you quoted Wendy, and that the fact that Tyger hadn't made the last two posts yet when Tans
made the comment about "the snark fall out". Although I do agree in this case that Tyger is overreacting to what the OP said. |
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
The problem with that theory is that you have to specially set up a custom shortcut to get into the training room. I find it hard to believe that someone could find the instructions on how to do so without also finding details on what these servers are...
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Anyone who wants to play on the test or beta servers has to set up a shortcut to even get to them. It is not included when you download the game.
It is unlikely a trial player would even know that he COULD do that, let alone HOW to do it.
It is even less likely that a trial player who somehow discovers the test server would find out how to make the shortcut to it without finding out what it IS in the process of finding said shortcut.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Eh, I wouldn't call the first one an overreaction. The rest were a reaction to the reaction I got from others more than anything.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
There's only one problem with the three posts you quoted Wendy, and that the fact that Tyger hadn't made the last two posts yet when Tans
made the comment about "the snark fall out". Although I do agree in this case that Tyger is overreacting to what the OP said. |
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Thank you. At least someone has some sense in looking at the situation rather than playing the knee-jerk "defend the poor defenseless newbie from the evil forum bullies, nevermind that the poor defenseless newbie is making knee-jerk snipes at CS over something they can't help him with" attitude.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I was thinking this myself.
Anyone who wants to play on the test or beta servers has to set up a shortcut to even get to them. It is not included when you download the game. It is unlikely a trial player would even know that he COULD do that, let alone HOW to do it. It is even less likely that a trial player who somehow discovers the test server would find out how to make the shortcut to it without finding out what it IS in the process of finding said shortcut. |
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True but what you and Tyger are overlooking is the fact that he isn't a trial player.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I was thinking this myself.
Anyone who wants to play on the test or beta servers has to set up a shortcut to even get to them. It is not included when you download the game. It is unlikely a trial player would even know that he COULD do that, let alone HOW to do it. It is even less likely that a trial player who somehow discovers the test server would find out how to make the shortcut to it without finding out what it IS in the process of finding said shortcut. |
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Originally Posted by Sross
I did the 7 day free trial and then decided to purchase the game.
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And is it really so far fetched an idea that someone who is a new subscriber to the game might misunderstand how a feature works or even get incomplete or inaccurate info about something from another player that might lead him to believe that something works differently then the way it actually does.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I was under the impression that one does NOT need to set up the shortcuts individually anymore... I thought the NCLauncher does that automagically now.
Regardless, I'm of the opinion that one can make a point (even sarcastically) without resorting to personal attacks.
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I don't know about "far fetched", but it's certainly less likely than the alternative.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And is it really so far fetched an idea that someone who is a new subscriber to the game might misunderstand how a feature works or even get incomplete or inaccurate info about something from another player that might lead him to believe that something works differently then the way it actually does.
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Where would a noob even see the words "training room". It does not appear on the server list unless you are feeding the launcher special command line parameters. It's like complaining there were no warning signs posted in a dangerous area after you climbed a fence and picked a lock to get in.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
It's a test environment called TRAINING ROOM. It's not a test environment called TEST SERVER or BETA TESTING. Why would a rank newb automagically think something that's not called test server be a test server?
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And yet we regularly have people coming to the forums to get something cleared up that they either misunderstood or were told the wrong information about. And many times the people asking for help are vets of several years. So I guess it's not as less likely as you want people to believe.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
I don't know about "far fetched", but it's certainly less likely than the alternative.
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He wouldn't see the words training room so it's all the more likely that the source of his information about it was either incomplete or inaccurate so he misunderstood what to expect. |
Originally Posted by rsclark
Where would a noob even see the words "training room". It does not appear on the server list unless you are feeding the launcher special command line parameters. It's like complaining there were no warning signs posted in a dangerous area after you climbed a fence and picked a lock to get in.
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Thanks for helping prove our side of the discussion.
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Still not an excuse to take snipes at CS. If he had bothered looking through the forum titled, vaguely enough, "Training Room", all the info about it is posted there. The most obvious first step when you have a problem relating to the Training Room would be to try to find a solution there. ( He found his way here, he damn well could have found his way to the Training Room folder in the process )|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
He has a full active account.
And is it really so far fetched an idea that someone who is a new subscriber to the game might misunderstand how a feature works or even get incomplete or inaccurate info about something from another player that might lead him to believe that something works differently then the way it actually does. |
The whole problem is he does what so many other self-entitled MMO players do whenever they encounter a problem: Immediately take pot shots at the devs and/or CS for it. Being a newbie doesn't excuse belligerence. It's a behavioral trait in gamers that shouldn't be tolerated, yet the ones who criticize over it are the ones made out to be the bad guys...
Edit: Like I've said a couple times, had he left out the wholly unnecessary whine about CS, he would have been MUCH better off.
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It was more a comment about quite a couple of responses that assumed motives or stupidity on the poster, and were generally unhelpful, and more a chance to exercise snarky wit.
However, there were fewer of those than was my impression when I first read the thread, showing I guess how the negative is louder than the positive.
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