Archetypes and Freedom
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-05 21:25 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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That is correct. However, per Positron having a certain veteran status will automatically unlock MMs/Controllers for free (exactly how much is not yet known).|
Originally Posted by XavWard
In the same vein I've heard that should an elite go premie, their masterminds and controllers will be locked up and won't be able to be used until said premie buys the "rights" to the archetype again. Can anyone verify this?
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| While I understand and encourage this practice for new players, I can only see it as completely inexcusable for those now-paying customers, who have paid for the rights to the archetypes ALREADY through their purchasing of the full games at retail, to lose the rights to play their characters and have demands set on them that they have to pay for the rights to the archetype a second time. There has to be a grandfathering issue here, and I hope that if they are currently using this plan, they consider the ramifications of such a decision greatly. |
Unlocking all of those to anyone who has paid even a single month of subscription time eliminates a large part of the reason for locking them in the first place. Requiring a certain veteran status to keep them at Premium (as is being done with Controllers/MMs) serves as an effective compromise.
Here's something that's not quite clear to me... I know that premium players will get two default character slots if their subscription goes down (plus additional earned slots.) Can any of those character slots be used on eats/MM's/controllers that have already been created?
I am hoping this is the case, but they would still have to pay to make new ones if their vet status didn't unlock them automatically.
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No. If you want to use a "free" slot on a EAT/MM/Controller you need to buy access to them (or have it granted through vet status).
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Here's something that's not quite clear to me... I know that premium players will get two default character slots if their subscription goes down (plus additional earned slots.) Can any of those character slots be used on eats/MM's/controllers that have already been created?
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Um... from what *I* understand...|
Originally Posted by XavWard
While I understand and encourage this practice for new players, I can only see it as completely inexcusable for those now-paying customers, who have paid for the rights to the archetypes ALREADY through their purchasing of the full games at retail, to lose the rights to play their characters and have demands set on them that they have to pay for the rights to the archetype a second time. There has to be a grandfathering issue here, and I hope that if they are currently using this plan, they consider the ramifications of such a decision greatly.
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VIP = Subscriber. You pay your $15/mo, you get to play everything.
Compare that to current system: same thing
Premium = former subscribers who want to just play for free. You get MM/Cont/etc. through paying a one time fee, OR if you have previously earned veteran rewards.
Compare that to current system: N/A. Right now if you are a former subscriber, you can't even log in... you may have bought the retail box, but you can't log in without a subscription... so CoH:Freedom... now gives you *some* of the game without a subscription...
I don't see that as a loss situation...
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Originally Posted by Traumatica
Um... from what *I* understand...
VIP = Subscriber. You pay your $15/mo, you get to play everything. Compare that to current system: same thing Premium = former subscribers who want to just play for free. You get MM/Cont/etc. through paying a one time fee, OR if you have previously earned veteran rewards. Compare that to current system: N/A. Right now if you are a former subscriber, you can't even log in... you may have bought the retail box, but you can't log in without a subscription... so CoH:Freedom... now gives you *some* of the game without a subscription... I don't see that as a loss situation... |
If you stop paying for the game, you stop getting as much of it. More than none though, thats pretty good considering its free.
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Originally Posted by XavWard
While I understand and encourage this practice for new players, I can only see it as completely inexcusable for those now-paying customers, who have paid for the rights to the archetypes ALREADY through their purchasing of the full games at retail, to lose the rights to play their characters and have demands set on them that they have to pay for the rights to the archetype a second time. There has to be a grandfathering issue here, and I hope that if they are currently using this plan, they consider the ramifications of such a decision greatly. |
Current set up: Pay $15 a month, or you can't play the game at all, in any way shape or form.
Freedom set up: You don't have to pay $15 a month to play, but you lose access to some of the stuff in the game.
Seems fair to me. If you want to play the game for free....well, you aren't going to get the entire game. As opposed to NOW, where if you want to play the game for free.....well, that option doesn't even exist right now.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
I have to agree if you are a current subscriber and you stop paying you dont access to anything regardless of whether you brought the retail box or not. You cant log in.. You cant play jack.
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I don't understand this issue at all. I just don't.|
Originally Posted by XavWard
While I understand and encourage this practice for new players, I can only see it as completely inexcusable for those now-paying customers, who have paid for the rights to the archetypes ALREADY through their purchasing of the full games at retail, to lose the rights to play their characters and have demands set on them that they have to pay for the rights to the archetype a second time. There has to be a grandfathering issue here, and I hope that if they are currently using this plan, they consider the ramifications of such a decision greatly.
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You are talking about an entitlement players should have who are NOT subscribed to this game, and may have spent as little as $5 dollars (possibly less) EVER on this game. As it relates to VIPs who stop subscribing... I again don't understand this issue. If you stop subscribing now, try to play a MM or Controller. Did it work? Anything you are allowed access to while not subscribing is like a great big present from the Devs. Where is this entitlement coming from?
Also, it bears mentioning that TECHNICALLY you never bought the game. Oh sure, you may have a CD (which you bought) but unless you are a current subscriber that does a great big ZERO for ya. When this game goes F2P, having rented space on a server doesn't seem to me to bring about any automatic privileges.
I will never understand how can people complain about losing access to controllers/masterminds on non-paying accounts once CoH:F goes Live and not complain about losing access to the whole game on non-paying accounts right now.
Don't get me wrong, it's moon logic either way, but doing one without the other is even more baffling.
It is odd. If they stay paying to play they won't lose anything and then won't give themselves a headache trying to figure this out.
They should only get Red or Blue side with no epics and no Yellow side access.
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Originally Posted by Traumatica
Um... from what *I* understand...
VIP = Subscriber. You pay your $15/mo, you get to play everything. Compare that to current system: same thing Premium = former subscribers who want to just play for free. You get MM/Cont/etc. through paying a one time fee, OR if you have previously earned veteran rewards. Compare that to current system: N/A. Right now if you are a former subscriber, you can't even log in... you may have bought the retail box, but you can't log in without a subscription... so CoH:Freedom... now gives you *some* of the game without a subscription... I don't see that as a loss situation... |
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Originally Posted by Traumatica
Um... from what *I* understand...
VIP = Subscriber. You pay your $15/mo, you get to play everything. Compare that to current system: same thing |
VIP = you get everything you get now, plus 400 points per month that you can spend on swag and things you currently pay extra for like booster packs and what not. Free Steampunk pack? Yes please.
400 points is about $5 so the new VIP is actually about a 33% discount from your current subscription.
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Free Character transfer a month. $10 Value if you use it (and I've got 4, maybe 5 or 6 that will).
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
VIP = you get everything you get now, plus 400 points per month that you can spend on swag and things you currently pay extra for like booster packs and what not. Free Steampunk pack? Yes please.
400 points is about $5 so the new VIP is actually about a 33% discount from your current subscription. |
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Don't forget the free signature arcs we will be getting, which are also apprently priced at $5. So in total (if you use/do everything), VIP get a total of $20 worth of stuff every month.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Free Character transfer a month. $10 Value if you use it (and I've got 4, maybe 5 or 6 that will).
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"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of BS." -General George Patton
-Lord Azazel
I paid $50.00 for COH over 4 years ago....
With all the paid upgrades and the $15 a month not to mention the booster packs.
I'd say im well over $1,000 paid into this game.
How about Freeing your hands from my wallet.
And Let me keep all my toons on-line and Off
"I'd like to play my toons offline at some point"
I'd even PAY you to make an off-line "A.E." type of game
That we could save and play all of our cool toons offline.
Thanks SUPERMOUSE
**Victory Server**
Super T-shirt club
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Originally Posted by Lord_Thanatos
Don't forget the free signature arcs we will be getting, which are also apprently priced at $5. So in total (if you use/do everything), VIP get a total of $20 worth of stuff every month.
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Plus the $15.00 for access to all of your characters, VIP server, Incarnate content, and Time Manipulation which will be a locked but purchasable power set. So, the total value will be...
$15.00 for full game access (Incarnate, all character slots, all AT's)
$5.00 Paragon points
$5.00 Signature arcs
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$25.00
Also, we don't know how much Time Manipulation will cost- I would wager 5 to 10 dollars- And we get that for free, too. Basically we will be getting ~$30.00 worth of content (or more!) for $15.00 per month.
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+$10 for the free monthly server transfer (if you use it)
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Plus the $15.00 for access to all of your characters, VIP server, Incarnate content, and Time Manipulation which will be a locked but purchasable power set. So, the total value will be...
$15.00 for full game access (Incarnate, all character slots, all AT's) $5.00 Paragon points $5.00 Signature arcs _____________________ $25.00 Also, we don't know how much Time Manipulation will cost- I would wager 5 to 10 dollars- And we get that for free, too. Basically we will be getting ~$30.00 worth of content (or more!) for $15.00 per month. |
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of BS." -General George Patton
-Lord Azazel
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I went the other direction|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
$15.00 for full game access (Incarnate, all character slots, all AT's)
$5.00 Paragon points $5.00 Signature arcs _____________________ $25.00 |
$15.00 for full game access (Incarnate, all character slots, all AT's)
-$5.00 Paragon points
-$10.00 Character Transfer
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$0.00 net to you
The freebies you get with $15 per month basically mean you're playing for free. The only real difference is that you're obligated to "buy" those things, rather than doing it manually.
Oh yes, forgot one more:
Forum access: $priceless.
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... assuming you pay monthly. |
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
I went the other direction
$15.00 for full game access (Incarnate, all character slots, all AT's) -$5.00 Paragon points -$10.00 Character Transfer ___________________ $0.00 net to you . |
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Originally Posted by Lord_Thanatos
+$10 for the free monthly server transfer (if you use it)
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Ahh, true. In a sense we will be getting paid to keep playing, I can't understand the complaints.
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Right, if you're paying for more months in at a time and you're actually paying say $13 or $12.50 per month due to a discount, then NC Soft is paying you a couple of dollars a month to play.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... assuming you pay monthly.
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Originally Posted by SuperMouse
I paid $50.00 for COH over 4 years ago....
With all the paid upgrades and the $15 a month not to mention the booster packs. I'd say im well over $1,000 paid into this game. How about Freeing your hands from my wallet. And Let me keep all my toons on-line and Off "I'd like to play my toons offline at some point" I'd even PAY you to make an off-line "A.E." type of game That we could save and play all of our cool toons offline. Thanks SUPERMOUSE |
I paid $15,000 for a car a couple of years ago, and I've paid hundreds of dollars in gasoline since then, not to mention the cost of repairs and regular maintenance. I'd say I'm pretty invested in the automobile and oil industries. It's about time they started providing a complimentary limousine to drive me around, and they should also include a mini-fridge. That way I could save money and have a mini-fridge!
...what?
Hey, I've heard through various means that certain archetypes, such as the EATs for both sides, masterminds and controllers will be made into locked versions for free and premium players in the coming months.
In the same vein I've heard that should an elite go premie, their masterminds and controllers will be locked up and won't be able to be used until said premie buys the "rights" to the archetype again. Can anyone verify this?
While I understand and encourage this practice for new players, I can only see it as completely inexcusable for those now-paying customers, who have paid for the rights to the archetypes ALREADY through their purchasing of the full games at retail, to lose the rights to play their characters and have demands set on them that they have to pay for the rights to the archetype a second time. There has to be a grandfathering issue here, and I hope that if they are currently using this plan, they consider the ramifications of such a decision greatly.