'Rookie' status on forum?


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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper View Post
There is no Forum Cartel. It is not cunningly concealed among the apparently carefree City of Heroes players of the forum, its trolls and lurkers. No one would suggest that its members have a political agenda within and beyond the game. Nor would anyone believe, should it be whispered, that the Forum Cartel collects vast sums of inf and favors in order to further the goals that it doesn’t have. Moreover, an organization that does not exist certainly cannot have the prestige or talent pool to develop its own subtle, social martial arts style.

Conversation Judo does not combine common, everyday movements with potent manipulations of puns and facts in a devastating and nearly invisible manner. It isn’t one of the Forum Cartel’s many sources of secret power. It never sees use in the discussion, arguments and flame wars of the players. People do not die from it, occasionally silently and occasionally screaming, days or weeks after not encountering it.

You mean Golden Ace defining all the new titles?
With persuasion.. I mean, input from others.


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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper View Post
You mean Golden Ace defining all the new titles?

Would be Golden Girl now. I've not been 'a presence' on the forums for years.

wouldn't want a new title now anyway. Happy with what I have.


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Thanks for the info everyone. For the record, I DGAF what my post count title is, I was just curious and didn't realize that 'rookie' was above citizen.


 

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Originally Posted by Silver Gale View Post
Unless you define "Hey, thanks for posting your idea, it's something that has been suggested hundreds of times already, but it's not a good idea for these reasons" to be bullying.
A simple search for "server merge" will prove that not to be true. Unless you're easily placated by people putting a disclaimer saying their copypaste wall of text isn't meant to insult you right before it proceeds to insult you for a few thousand words.

Fact is, people who post a lot do so because they haven't anything better to do. A rule of thumb that has never failed me on any internet forums is that anyone with 1,000 posts or above shouldn't be trusted too much to be representative of the community or sensible in his posting, and the more posts the more likely is that person to care way too much about his online persona and to bring his own agenda in every topic.

Just watch the answers this very post should get, that will likely twist my words from "rule of thumb" to "hard rule" ; and, yes, I am aware I have more than a thousand posts myself, and I fully fit into this. No denial here.


 

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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
A simple search for "server merge"
No OP who suggested server merges has ever done this "simple search", so I don't see why I should need to.

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Fact is, people who post a lot do so because they haven't anything better to do.
People who post a lot on a game forum do so because they are highly invested in the game and want to make their opinion known. Whether that opinion is based in fact or wishful thinking is another matter entirely, which you can't divine from postcount alone, only though actually reading what they have to say and comparing it to known facts.

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A rule of thumb that has never failed me on any internet forums is that anyone with 1,000 posts or above shouldn't be trusted too much to be representative of the community or sensible in his posting, and the more posts the more likely is that person to care way too much about his online persona and to bring his own agenda in every topic.
A rule of thumb that has never failed me on the Internet is not to expect a lot of sensibility from any poster ever, regardless of any stats. Also, not to take any one poster as representative of any community, ever.




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You really think an arbitrary number has more to tell you about the worth of what someone has to say than the things they say? Sad.


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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
A simple search for "server merge" will prove that not to be true. Unless you're easily placated by people putting a disclaimer saying their copypaste wall of text isn't meant to insult you right before it proceeds to insult you for a few thousand words.

Fact is, people who post a lot do so because they haven't anything better to do. A rule of thumb that has never failed me on any internet forums is that anyone with 1,000 posts or above shouldn't be trusted too much to be representative of the community or sensible in his posting, and the more posts the more likely is that person to care way too much about his online persona and to bring his own agenda in every topic.

Just watch the answers this very post should get, that will likely twist my words from "rule of thumb" to "hard rule" ; and, yes, I am aware I have more than a thousand posts myself, and I fully fit into this. No denial here.
I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. My brain feels splodie.


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You really think an arbitrary number has more to tell you about the worth of what someone has to say than the things they say? Sad.
But Lemur, he said himself that he even falls into the category and he's aware of it. So that must mean that we aren't to take what he said at all seriously and simply discount it based on his post count!


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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
A simple search for "server merge" will prove that not to be true. Unless you're easily placated by people putting a disclaimer saying their copypaste wall of text isn't meant to insult you right before it proceeds to insult you for a few thousand words.
Nothing in the one you mentioned, or any of the others, is designed to be insulting. There's a little tongue in cheek (such as the "We are Spartacus!" "No, you're now generic supergroup #089475927!") meant to help get the points across.

Insulting would be, oh... gohan-whatever-the-number saying "People that have any medical issues with power effects should just GTFO." Or "You don't like the iTrials, you're obviously an antisocial loner who doesn't want to have to work for anything." Or "Sonic bubbles (old ones) don't cause problems, everyone who complains is a whining, lying hypochondriac who just wants attention." All of which have been pointed at people on the forum.

Giving a list of reasons that come up each and every time with a dead horse discussion? That's not insulting. And if you think it is, perhaps you should work on learning how to read and work with criticism. (And just so you don't read that wrong, that is "Learn to read criticism" and "Learn to work with criticism," not "You need to learn to read.") Every single point in there is directed at the ideas, not the poster. The closest thing to ANYTHING getting pointed at the poster is contrasts - IE, "YOU may like playing on Freedom. I don't."

Do you call that insulting?

Here, go ahead and read through it again:
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Why server consolidation is not a good idea.

Welcome to the forum. You have posted one of the oft repeated suggestions, "Consolidate the servers."

Disclaimer

Yes. This is a cut and paste reply that I keep handy. It isn't meant to cause fights or to be insulting.

The body of the cut and paste reply is the way it is because we've seen these arguments numerous times before. They're a summary of the salient points that come up each time. They are not here to insult you, make you feel stupid or otherwise "bring you down a peg." Instead, they are meant as instruction and information. Please read through the points and the explanation behind them to see the issues that are commonly brought up in response. They may not always match your suggestion 100% - in fact, you may have explained around one or two of them - but they're there for consideration and refinement of your idea.

Yes, I do look forward to the time, with some of these suggestions, that someone not only addresses all the points, but does so exceptionally well. It'll probably be added to the end of the cut/paste reply, with credit. For now, though, read and consider the points. They really are just there to help you, and move discussion along to help ideas evolve.

If you're going to see this and say an "evil forum vet is just shooting down your idea," or "You think you're the last word because of your post count," you're wrong. Heck, if you say the second, you've just worried more about my post count than I have in the last four plus years. Tongue-in-cheek comments in here are meant as hummor, not put downs.


TL,DR section.
First, my stock answer, one which I stand by and repeat with all due fervor. HELL NO.


Now, why:
1. Just because YOU like living in New York City doesn't mean I can't like Kansas.

Yay, you love having huge lag spikes as you get near the black market/wentworths and a busy broadcast. Congrats. Enjoy Freedom. Some of us - many of which you will get replies from with this subject - like *low population* servers. If we *wanted* to be on Freedom, we'd *be* on Freedom.

I have characters on Freedom. I rarely play them (and actually moved a character OFF of Freedom to finish leveling it to 50) because *I DON'T LIKE FREEDOM.* I dislike the banality of broadcast, the high percentage of *horrid* teams I've come across there, the lag around any gathering point- and I've got a decent connection and system. For much the same reason, I typically startin Galaxy City instead of Atlas Park - I don't *want* to log in to a costume contest with several 50s spamming powers and nonsense arguments in broadcast.

Some of us *like* nice, quiet servers.

2, Kansas, part 2.

In addition, servers have their own personalities. No, I don't mean that literally, there's no AI to worry about if you start hearing "Daisy, Daisy" over your speakers or headset. Freedom's a crowded mess. Virtue is the RP server. Pinnacle is the "Drunk" server. Others have specific communities, such as those from Australia/NZ, Europe, etc.

3. "I only saw one other person. World of Conancraft has eleventy billion!"

So what?

We don't run around camping spawn points in this game. People are in missions. People are spread across many zones. Search on a map or do a /whoall and you'll miss those in missions, as well as those who are, for whatever reason, on /hide. Your "search" there didn't give you a full picture, not in the least.

I understand the "feel" of things being "not very populated," but take a good look around when you're in game. Typically, you don't really have a lot of visibility. Standing in steel canyon, there could be multiple, full 8 person groups surrounding you, and it's likely you'd never see them. We have buildings, walls, architecture, trees and more limiting our visibility. Yes, it can make you feel more alone... but that's rarely the case. Add to that that the population is spread between many, MANY zones, most quite large, and among two sides... well...

4. "I put up my LFT flag and nothing happened!"

Learn to search. Don't just wait. Form a team yourself.

5. "I AM SPARTACUS!" No, not any more.

Remember logging in and seeing all those slots? Everyone has those - some buy more than the base 12, you get an extra one each year, you could have a total of 36 on any server. Everyone does. Every one has a character with a unique name. Maybe not a *good* name, but a unique one. Every one has a character with a unique name. Maybe not a *good* name, but a unique one.

Now merge servers. Suddenly, CoolBlasterDude from server 1 is getting merged with CoolBlasterDude from Server 2. Who gets to keep their name? Nobody has been able to answer this with any degree of satisfaction. Add a number? But I am NOT CoolBlasterGuy1. And what if the name's too long? Does the older character keep it? What if they're not as active?

People are *VERY* attached to their names. They are, quite obviously, part of their character.

6. "This Is SPARTA!" Sorry, Sparta exists already. You are GenericSG 8734 287 9798.

What else has a name? Supergroups. And I can *guarandamntee* that the same name is in use on multiple servers. Sometimes it's 'branches' of the same SG, sometimes it's coincidence. But with *everything* involved in an SG - from its identity and reputation on the server, to everything stored in the database about what it owns, what its base is like and such, this would be a disaster in the making. And no, auto merging them when the servers merge, even if they have room to, is not an option.

This, of course, assumes that they *CAN* move supergroups as a unit. More than likely, it'd just be a mass character move, with bases, prestige, anything stored in bases and all SG affiliations just gone forever.

7. "I am... where'd Spartacus go?"

Remember all those slots? Well, you start with 1/3 of the available ones. You can buy up to 36 total (24 on top of the ones you get initially.) Now, what do you suppose would happen if you merged two servers, and someone has, say, 20 characters on each? Not unusual. In fact, before those extra slots, I had *filled up* several servers. Do those characters just disappear? Do they move? Free move to another server sounds great, right... well, except you now kick them from their supergroup, remove them from their friends lists and more. This makes for angry and unhappy customers. Or rather, ex customers.

8. I will play where I damn well want to. And you can too.

And that should be blunt enough. If I want a crowded server, I'll go to Freedom. If I want an RP server, I'll go to Virtue. I do NOT want to be shoved onto another server I *don't* like. If I wanted to go there, *I'd be there.*

If the server you're on isn't "busy" enough for you, you have two options that won't bother anyone else.
(A) If it's low enough, reroll. You have a ton of character slots for a reason.
(B) If you don't want to reroll, server transfers are available, and relatively cheap. They also finish fast - you should be up and running and being spammed to join someone's SG on the new server in a few minutes, in most instances. So YOU can go to the server of YOUR choice without screwing ME over.

9. "It'll free up server hardware for Freedom!" No, no it won't.

Freedom, because of the load it tends to have, already has more resources dedicated to it than other servers. And ALL of the servers have been upgraded multiple times. The servers are not allocated exactly the same. The servers that handle less of a load have less dedicated to them. So this argument doesn't fly.

10. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Last but not least (at least until better points come along to be added,) server consolidation is widely viewed in the industry as an MMO going on life support. No, we don't have WoWs numbers (and you should actually pay attention to when and how they got those.) They're an abberation in the MMO industry. COH has had and does have a very successful, sustainable population even at its lowest points, so there's no economic need to combine anything. The flip side of that, of course, has been suggested above - you crowd people together, break up their SGs and friends lists, cause characters to go missing and poeple definitely *will* quit, both out of annoyance and a sense of "The game is almost dead!"

In conclusion....

As stated before, when it comes to server consolidation... HELL NO.
Now. Your turn. Point out the insults. Disagreement is not insulting. We'll wait. (And I invite anyone else who thinks any part of that is insulting to point it out, as well.)

Oh, by the way, if you want insults - look at your own post:
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Fact is, people who post a lot do so because they haven't anything better to do. A rule of thumb that has never failed me on any internet forums is that anyone with 1,000 posts or above shouldn't be trusted too much to be representative of the community or sensible in his posting, and the more posts the more likely is that person to care way too much about his online persona and to bring his own agenda in every topic.
Three insults in one paragraph... against people you know nothing about. You do know the saying about glass houses, yes?

Know why I post so much?
1. I have experience with the game and enjoy helping people out.

Some of my friends end up shaking their heads at me because I finish work (tech support) where I'm helping people out all day. I then log onto the game and help out in the "Help" channel, and/or have the forums open (sometimes while at work - working from home has benefits) and try to answer questions. Do I get into arguments? Yep. Do I also help out? Yep.

2. I enjoy the game.

I've played the game since february 2005, without a break. Sometimes I play more, sometimes I play less. I have nearly 300 alts, I've probably rolled every powerset at least once. I am personally invested in this game, making suggestions, commenting, getting into discussions (sometimes heated) over what would be/is good or not - whether by preference or actually *good* or *bad* for the game. Obviously I have to argue from my POV.

3. I bring up problems.

Just look up the "problems with incarnate power" thread - which has led to a coming fix, thanks to Tunnel Rat seeing it (and which may have wider reaching effects, as really, it touches on customization.) Do the powers affect me? Nope. But because I know full well they hurt others - physically, in this case - I'll bring it up and fight for it.

4. I have fun.

I've got my share of smartalec comments on the boards. I take part in things like the Photoshop Tennis bit that's going on (stalled at the moment,) and share artwork I've commissioned or otherwise recieved, sometimes sharing writing and the like too. It's a part of enjoying the game.

Does any of this mean I think I'm the only one to do that, or the only one with anything to say that's worthwhile, or the only one that the devs should listen to, or any of the other nonsense that gets thrown at me (or others, generally with "because of your high post count!" thrown in?) Nope. But it doesn't mean I'm not going to say it.

And, unlike you, I take post count for exactly what it's worth when looking at how valid (or not) input is. Nothing at all.

Should we not read authors who have put out a lot of books? Should we ignore scientists who have published multiple papers (such as the late R. Feynman) because they - in terms of their specialty - "post a lot?" Should we ignore what the person who's worked at the company 20 years has to say because they've written a lot of email and done a lot?

Sounds silly, doesn't it.


 

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Originally Posted by Nihilii View Post
Fact is, people who post a lot do so because they haven't anything better to do.
The only "fact" you have here is one you made up. Let's keep in mind that a noob is someone who THINKS they know a lot and posts accordingly.

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Just watch the answers this very post should get, that will likely twist my words from "rule of thumb" to "hard rule" ;
Oh, no twisting necessary. Your own words say all that needs to be said.


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