Simple QoL: Move Unabashed

Now do so late-late night/early morning on Pinnacle. Oh, look at that... big, empty list.

Funny thing. Solo, I can do this whenever I want for any other zone because I feel like helping out a new SG - or even an established SG that's missing a beacon or two. Except the RWZ.

Now, since you and Lemur there are *so* adamant this *must* require a raid ongoing, well, obviously it must be an incredible reward! Not just a beacon similar to those you can get solo for any other zone...

No?

No new power?

Nothing that could be overpowering?

Nothing special about it, just another beacon? In fact....
... one more *in*convenient according to LL?

So why insist it requires the extra nonsense and be *so* insistent it needs to stay right where it is and be completely inaccessible outside of "get a raid together?"

Again - it should be either moved, or removed from the bacon requirements. Since, after all,
... that's the point of the request.

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No.

Your response is insightful and I am a better person for adhering to your advice.

I will go now and spread your words of wisdom to the world.

Yes.

Hmm. Seems to have just as much of an effect.

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Why should a badge be bought when it can simply be moved? Honestly.

Start a RWZ raid? If you are going to the raid content, then it shouldn't be an issue to actually participate in said content to get the badge to unlock the beacon. You can access RWZ several ways: AP, FF, PI, Cap, St. Martials, GV. If you are level 50, you can access RWZ via flashback or Pillars of Ice & Flame.

(*Cough*) Head of the Hydra. (*cough*)

I bugged it several times during Issue 18 beta. It is also easily bypassed: get a hero or vigilante teleport you behind the door.

Before the RWZ revamp (Issue 10), you only needed Ace to get the beacon. Since the change, you've always had to wait for the shields to be down.

[Sarcasm] I must not be remembering Issues 18 or 19 betas right. [/Sarcasm]

Since the introduction of Gr'ai Matter, they have only been able to be bought on the Vanguard table for vanguard merits. Where are you getting this information from? Certainly not from the game.

By the way, it used to be (in Issue 18 beta) that you could purchase the Alpha Slot unlock with "regular" reward merits, vanguard merits, doing any of the content that gives Alpha Slot components, and I think alignment merits.

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Which unlocks which teleport beacon again? (I refer you, again - well, refer you personally, but I refer again - to the first sentence of the original post.)

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Because anything Memphis thinks is right apparently. I do not see any problem with the badge being here. You only need to get it once to get the beacon and if you're a badge hunter you'll be wanting to do the raid anyway and lets be fair all the good long standing SGs got this way before RWZ was introduced (was RCS).

The response was to the plain "no" more than anything. Thus the "Seems to have the same effect" comment. You will note I'm in *favor* of it being moved or removed from the beacon requirements.

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Hmm. Start with an exceptionally weak personal snipe that misses by a mile, AND miss the point of the post you were trying to refer to. What, no good argument of your own? Your others sure have a lot of assumptions in them. Let's see:

Which you can't do if there's not a group raiding, as opposed to every other beacon, thus the original post.
But not everyone IS a badge hunter, or around for the raids (or, TBH, in the right instance of the RWZ,) though they can collect all the requirements for every other beacon at their leisure - thus the original post.

... which is even more of an argument FOR changing either the location or the badge requirement - it's gone from soloable to "requires a raid to be in progress to take the shields down." Which counters your own:

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Much like PvP zone exploration badges force you to go into a zone you don't want to go (well, at least they did for me), this one is there as enticement for joining a MS Raid. The intent is not broken unless you concede that all exploration badges that are located in PvP zones, the Arena cage, arc missions (Multidimensional and Shrouded I'm looking at you) and Safeguard/Bank Missions are also intent broken (especially when the later are required for an Accolade). To be perfectly honest, you don't even have to join the raid, just need to go there when someone is running one, wait for the shield to go down, grab the badge and get out. It's not that much of an inconvenient.

Having said that, if the Devs chose to address this, I'd rather they removed it as a requirement for the beacon (since most beacons only need 8 badges) than moving it elsewhere.

There are no beacons for PVP zones. And given, according to Lemur, the beacon is "less convenient" than the other forms of goign into the zone, I'd hardly say it's meant to be an "enticement." Unless you're trying to sell me the idea that the beacon for the RWZ is *so* special and *so* powerful compared to all the others it's somehow worthy of this extra annoyance. Are you saying that?

Besides, there are several OTHER "enticements" for joining a raid - other badges, Vanguard merits and, for the Incarnate-minded, a chance to pound level 54s to try to get shards. One less "enticement" is hardly going to discourage people from raiding.

So, sorry, don't buy the "it's an enticement to raid" bit... especially since, as you yourself point out, you *don't* have to raid. You just have to wait for a number of other people to do so. If it were meant as an "enticement to raid," you wouldn't be able to get it *without* participating in the raid. Banks don't give away free toasters for just wandering by when someone else is opening an account, after all.

As far as comparing it to an accolade - the accolade makes a distinct improvement to your own character. The beacon does not - again, see Lemur Lad's comment.

Oh - and no, the beacons don't need 8, actually. They still need their old, lower amounts - Peregrine Island, for instance, just needs one, and the Hollows just needs 5. You don't get the zone exploration badge or the merits, of course. So while I don't *believe* there's precedent for removing one from the list, there IS for not needing every exploration badge in the zone to get the teleporter.

Oh, and given this is a typical time for me to play:


Yeah. Just have to wait for that raid to start!

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Get 1-4 other players (depending on build) to help take out the Pylons, then get the badge. The other thing you (or anyone wanting this) can do is ask on a badge, TF, general teaming, group, general chat, or even the help channel to get some help. Who knows a raid might just break out.

Given the low requirements, I see no problem with leaving this badge as an enticement.

Except for Faultline. It needs the four original and the 4 new explore badges from the re-vamp. From a ease of use standpoint the other beacons should just require all the explore badges in the zone as well.

Three points:

• That isn't showing all the matches, you need to click search again to show more.
• That isn't showing all the villains, rogues, or vigilantes in the red side zones.
• That is more than enough people to take out the pylons.

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Fine. Leave it as an enticement. Just remove it from the requirements.
Were you on at 5 AM when I did that? (again, typical time for me to be playing.)

No?

Then don't tell me that's not showing all the matches. Or go on some fairy story that there's some vast redside population on at that time (there isn't.)

Seriously, what's with the push back on this? It's not uber-powerful, doesn't hurt you in the *least* to remove one badge from the requirements for the beacon. (And, for the record, I already have it in most of the SGs I'm in. The ones that don't are generally slower/inactive groups who don't have any real interest in the beacon - so I'm not arguing for this for myself.)

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Believe what you will, but those search results are not showing everyone on. I frequently play after midnight pacific on Triumph, an East Coast server. I know what I'm talking about as far as the search window is concerned.

I don't see the need to push it as it is fairly easy to get/unlock.

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Which, I shouldn't need to point out, is not the same server or time as Pinnacle at 5 AM. (Edit: Just so snow_globe knows, I'm not being snarky so much as poking at him for fun here. Re-read it and it could be taken wrong.)

Unless nobody's interested/there aren't enough people around to raid.

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Yes, Pinnbadges (if I remember Pinnacle's main badge channel right) should have more people on than Triumph Watch 2.0 at that point. That would be a much better tool to use than the search tool in this case.

And, as I keep telling you, you don't need a full raid to do this.

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You only need to take down the pylons. You don't need to raid. It takes a minimum of one person to take down the pylons. It can take as many as a full team, but typically less.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

You *do* realize arguing from the point of IO'd out/everything-capped-three-ways-from-friday builds is *not* the way to convince me of things, right? (as far as "minimum of one.")

Regardless - I still think it'd be a nice QOL change that wouldn't hurt anyone to either move the badge or remove it from the requirements for the beacon. Yeah, I doubt it'll *happen,* but I haven't heard anything convincing me that it'd be a *bad* change or break anything.

Then again, I'm not the one to convince either way. I'm just stubborn and like to argue about things.

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You're looking at it all wrong.

The other badges are inconsistent with this one badge.

Also, with Oro portals, trams that lead to every zone, it's just not that hard to get to RWZ.

I have the RWZ base teleporter and hardly use it. Oro (or tram) Founders Fall, RWZ entrance is right there where you're dropped off.

Conveniently leaving off the last part of my post doesn't make your point any stronger.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

You'll note I was mostly kidding around. And specified it was aimed at the "minimum of one" portion of it. I realize GG's overuse of smilies while insulting people has made people somewhat immune to the "hey, just kidding around" intent of them, but still. Relax.

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I can't ignore that... I just can't! Hahaha!