pfft. Just solo all the pylons and then dive in for the badge. No raid needed.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
pfft. Just solo all the pylons and then dive in for the badge. No raid needed.
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I am pretty sure you used to be able to get that badge while the shield was up when it was first released. They changed it so you could not get it unless the shield was down. My memory may be off though.
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My Tanker actually can withstand an assault from a Rikti Pylon, he just can't do enough damage to defeat it. I considered doing it on my Bots/Dark since he can solo a Pylon but wasn't sure if I'd be able to get them down in time (and at any rate, it was too late last night for me to take the time to do it).
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
pfft. Just solo all the pylons and then dive in for the badge. No raid needed.
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It's WAI. You're supposed to only get it when the shield is down.
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The intent is broken, then. The badge should be moved. I hate having to hope someone else is going to be running a raid while I'm on to *maybe* sneak in and get the badge. If it weren't needed for anything - if it were an extraneous badge - it wouldn't matter, but it's needed for the zone teleport beacon. |
Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
It's WAI. You're supposed to only get it when the shield is down.
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Alternately, remove it from the RWZ beacon requirements.
The zone base portal is only a QOL device.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
The zone base portal is only a QOL device.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
It's WAI. You're supposed to only get it when the shield is down.
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I can't see a good enough reason for it being behind the shield, so /signed.
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Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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The badge, beacon and portal are not needed but good to have.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And?
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It's also inconsistent with other exploration badges without good cause. So, why leave it that way?
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
The badge, beacon and portal are not needed but good to have.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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So moving the badge or removing it from the requirements wouldn't bother you in any way, and improve the QOL of the QOL item.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
The badge, beacon and portal are not needed but good to have.
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Or how about making it so you can get the beacon without that badge?
I rather like the idea of an exploration badge you need to do a raid in order to get.
You know another thing that doesn't make sense? I was able to get every exploration badge in the game except for one in Atlas Park. The reason? I have to go through the elevator door leading into the Hero-side Recluses Victory portal room and my toon was a Rogue. Access denied.
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Well actually....you're just..... um......fair enough.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
So moving the badge or removing it from the requirements wouldn't bother you in any way, and improve the QOL of the QOL item.
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Invite someone to your SG that doesn't mind going to Ship Raids. We ran one last week, got no issues with running one sometime this week or next. You don't even need to join the raid league. Just wait until you see the pylons go down and get your badge.
Besides, it's not like the SG port for RWZ is more convenient than using any of the other 3 entrance locations. Distance from the tram/ferry to the RWZ entrance is shorter than the distance from SG port-in location to the Vanguard base, in pretty much every case I can think of.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Invite someone to your SG that doesn't mind going to Ship Raids. We ran one last week, got no issues with running one sometime this week or next. You don't even need to join the raid league. Just wait until you see the pylons go down and get your badge.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
It's also inconsistent with other exploration badges without good cause. So, why leave it that way?
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There are exploration badges that only exist on certain mission maps. There's a whole slew of them you have to do safeguard / mayhem missions for (which means finding someone in the right level range if you're already past it). There's one you can only get during the holiday event. There are exploration badges in PvP zones. There's one hidden on an Arena map, that you can only get by being lucky with the random map selection. There's one you have to effectively complete a trial to obtain.
There's plenty of precedent for exploration badges with specific requirements for them, including ones that you have to team to obtain.
Unabashed is actually one of the easier of those and can be gotten solo -- it's not hard to run in and snag it while a raid is going on if you really want it. For the impatient, as mentioned earlier, you don't even have to do a full raid. A small group can just take out pylons to drop the shield.
I'd be okay with removing it from the zone beacon requirements, but I don't think the badge should be moved.
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Originally Posted by Rock_Crag
You know another thing that doesn't make sense? I was able to get every exploration badge in the game except for one in Atlas Park. The reason? I have to go through the elevator door leading into the Hero-side Recluses Victory portal room and my toon was a Rogue. Access denied.
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Fortunately the bug is buggy, and possible to get around. Invite a hero or vigilante to a team and have them recall you down to the area past the elevator. Then you can get the badge
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You're right, I should have clearly specified in the title of this topic that this would be a QoL change.|
Originally Posted by _Klaw_
The zone base portal is only a QOL device.
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Sorry for the confusion, I will try to be clearer in the future.
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Originally Posted by MTS
I'd be okay with removing it from the zone beacon requirements, but I don't think the badge should be moved.
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Sorry, let me rephrase. It's inconsistent with exploration badges of it's kind. Being part of a static zone, and not being part of an instanced situation. Are there any PVP exploration badges locked behind a raid event? It's also inconsistent with exploration badges required for unlocking Portal Beacons. |
Originally Posted by MTS
No it's not.
There are exploration badges that only exist on certain mission maps. There's a whole slew of them you have to do safeguard / mayhem missions for (which means finding someone in the right level range if you're already past it). There's one you can only get during the holiday event. There are exploration badges in PvP zones. There's one hidden on an Arena map, that you can only get by being lucky with the random map selection. There's one you have to effectively complete a trial to obtain. |
I should have realized specialized exploration badges might be considered the norm for some.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
I agree, remove it from the requirements.
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Start a raid. Invite a few people, and as you're taking pylons down, more people will show up, and eventually you'll have a full-out raid and all the pylons will be down and you'll have your badge! It takes like a half an hour, maybe, at most, to get all the pylons down to open up the shield...if you're slow getting response. A single team can take down all the pylons by themselves. OMG it's like things work out the way you want them to if you put effort into it! No way...amazing...!
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
TI hate having to hope someone else is going to be running a raid while I'm on to *maybe* sneak in and get the badge.
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What's a raid's worth to you? On our server we start on pylons with one to two teams and get more as things go on. This is that group vs solo divide again and it's one time where I don't see the need to concede to the pathological soloists.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Or... move it so you're not relying on a raid's worth of other people doing something while you're on to go get it.
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This isn't any different than getting a group together to do anything else that requires a group in this game. It just happens to be a little out of place in comparison to all the other Explore badges. Personally, I like that. I wish more of them were interesting and took a little planning to get.
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No it isn't, it's just the only one that is tied to a beacon. I can think of 3 other badges like Unabashed just off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
It's also inconsistent with other exploration badges without good cause. So, why leave it that way?
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
What's a raid's worth to you? On our server
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This is just a poorly placed badge - one that, if it weren't for the fact it's needed for a teleporter beacon (which you don't seem to care about, taking the tone of your prior comment,) would likely be shrugged off.
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Not "Hope you're going to have people in place when a raid's ongoing." There are already raid-appropriate badges (for such things as planting bombs.) This shouldn't be tied to it - or should be removed from the requirements for the zone teleporter.
I am presently unable to get the teleport beacon for Rikti War Zone because I can't get Unabashed, which is under the shield. This really ought to be accessible at any time, to the best of my recollection no other beacon is locked behind content like this (certainly not raid content).
I am leaving my Tanker parked on the shield in protest until this happens.
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We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...