Ion is seriously bugged when its applied to Masterminds
By
HelinCarnate,
Posted on: 2011-05-30 22:42 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Wow, someone still does PvP
Keeping it Brutal !!!!!!!!
I'd like to know how you survived long enough to take that much damage. I call h4x.
That's 6577.17 damage. I don't know pvp and I'm not an expert on how damage is reported while using "bodyguard" mode, but that looks like a lot.
If we are to die, let us die like men. -- Patrick Cleburne
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The rule is that they must be loved. --Jayne Fynes-Clinton, Death of an Abandoned Dog
I am even surprised that you can use Incarnate abilities in PvP? Wow... surprising.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Today playing my dom I got killed with one application of Ion, the bug still rechains bad. It seems to be bugged when you are surrounded by NPCs minions and leuts as well has henchmen and pets.
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 1 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 282.81 points of energy damage!
Your Reactive Interface continues to burn for 9.47 points of fire damage!
Your Reactive Interface continues to burn for 9.47 points of fire damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 1713.43 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage!
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for an additional 109.86 points of energy damage!
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How are you managing to stay alive after 6441.07 damage?
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Originally Posted by WhyNerfPFF
Today playing my dom I got killed with one application of Ion, the bug still rechains bad. It seems to be bugged when you are surrounded by NPCs minions and leuts as well has henchmen and pets.
Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 1 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 282.81 points of energy damage! Your Reactive Interface continues to burn for 9.47 points of fire damage! Your Reactive Interface continues to burn for 9.47 points of fire damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 1713.43 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 2 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 419.78 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for 292.99 points of energy damage! Ion Core Final Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Core Final Judgement for an additional 109.86 points of energy damage! |
Kind've wondering why folks are concerned about whether he died or not. MM in BG mode can take upwards of 5000 damage (without set IOs and powers that take it higher). He never says he survived the first post's attack. The second run he specifically states he died from the attack.
That is quite a bug.
It's not a bug at all.
What's bugging me about this poster is that he's asking for a wholesale change in both PvE and PvP to a power that's supposed to work as it is working, and has every single time he's come onto the boards of late.
There's no way to change the basic chaining behavior for JUST PvP, but that's what he wants, rather than suggesting that maybe PvP damage *only* should be reduced.
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If it was not bugged then I would not have the devs tell me that they know of the problem and they are trying to fix it.|
Originally Posted by Starcloud
It's not a bug at all.
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Seriously people like you want the "One Click I Win Button So Bad." There are plenty of other games that are out there that offer no challenge, but I guess you want this to be one of them.
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The point is, if he died, the damage would stop being recorded. Since it's such a huge amount of damage, we're kind of questioning whether he's accurately reporting the log or not.|
Originally Posted by Mephisto_Kur
Kind've wondering why folks are concerned about whether he died or not. MM in BG mode can take upwards of 5000 damage (without set IOs and powers that take it higher). He never says he survived the first post's attack. The second run he specifically states he died from the attack.
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As I stated, I don't now if the report would look like that if he was in bodyguard mode -- or would it just report the damage he personally took, not what was distributed among the minions.
If we are to die, let us die like men. -- Patrick Cleburne
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The rule is that they must be loved. --Jayne Fynes-Clinton, Death of an Abandoned Dog
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That argument makes much more sense |
Originally Posted by Sailboat
The point is, if he died, the damage would stop being recorded. Since it's such a huge amount of damage, we're kind of questioning whether he's accurately reporting the log or not.
As I stated, I don't now if the report would look like that if he was in bodyguard mode -- or would it just report the damage he personally took, not what was distributed among the minions. |
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Seems to me that would be a bug considering that Ion was just nerfed for that exact kind of behavior in PvE.
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Originally Posted by Starcloud
It's not a bug at all.
What's bugging me about this poster is that he's asking for a wholesale change in both PvE and PvP to a power that's supposed to work as it is working, and has every single time he's come onto the boards of late. There's no way to change the basic chaining behavior for JUST PvP, but that's what he wants, rather than suggesting that maybe PvP damage *only* should be reduced. |
The history of the changes is this: The chance to "bounce" back to the same target was reduced.
It was not ELIMINATED. He wants it ELIMINATED when clearly from the last change the developers see that the chance to "bounce back" is inherent to and part of the power design.
In addition, this is a very basic power behavior. It cannot be removed in PvP and still exist in PvE. So whether he believes this or not, he's calling for an overall nerf to the power.
I do not care about PvP. I am of the very strong opinion that no MMORPG needs it, and that removing PvP from a game or not having PvP in the first place is an overall improvement in game design. What I care about is when people whining about PvP force nerfs and changes to a power as it is used in PvE, solely because they only care about the PvP effects.
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Not necessarily true... as I understand it all powers have a completely separate power effects list for PvP, so in theory it could do something completely different in PvP, like being a targeted AoE instead of a chain (or for that matter summoning a noncombat pet that walks around telling off-color jokes). I don't believe what a power does in PvE has anything whatsoever to do with what it does in PvP beyond both of them using the same animation (and I'm not 100% sure the animation has to be the same).|
Originally Posted by Starcloud
The history of the changes is this: The chance to "bounce" back to the same target was reduced.
It was not ELIMINATED. He wants it ELIMINATED when clearly from the last change the developers see that the chance to "bounce back" is inherent to and part of the power design. In addition, this is a very basic power behavior. It cannot be removed in PvP and still exist in PvE. So whether he believes this or not, he's calling for an overall nerf to the power. |
So it should be trivial to set Ion Judgement powers to not be able to chain to the same target twice at all in PvP (just set the immunity timer to longer than the chain can continue) while not affecting its PvE stats at all. That said, it may be a matter of not wanting to spend the resources to do it (the actual fix would be a simple spreadsheet edit, but it would still need full QA testing) just to satisfy the couple of dozen people who still actually use PvP for anything but farming rare IOs.
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Ion needs total nerfing in PvP. When aim at Masterminds or Controllers or Dominators with pets the Ion seems to rechain several times and also rechains to all surrounding players to those with henchmen or pets. I got hit 21 times with blast 3. I dont have the data for blast 1, blast 2, or blast 4 but something needs to be done about Ion in PvP.
Ion does around 2000-9000 points of damage. Yet I have provided you the data several times it seem that the you guys have not figured out this bug.
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 321.2 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for 367.52 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for an additional 120.44 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for an additional 120.44 points of energy damage!
Ion Total Core Judgement Jump 3 blasts you with their Ion Total Core Judgement for an additional 137.81 points of energy damage!