Invis vs Stealth+Stealth proc
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Posted on: 2011-05-29 07:49 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Well, one advantage of Invisibility is it doesn't suppress unless you click on a glowie. With Stealth, the moment a sniper gets you in line of sight and pops you or you run into a foe with a damage aura or some AoE goes off near you, you're perfectly visible to everyone in range. But not with Invisibility.|
Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
So I guess my question becomes this: is the -threat enough of a mitigating factor to justify Invis over Stealth + Proc? Or will enemies see me the moment i bump into them? |
But that's up to you if its worthwhile. On my squishy corruptor, I favor invis over steamy mist + proc when trying to keep up with teammates on SF or trials.
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Uh... you DO realize you can't click a glowie while "Only Affecting Self", right?
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Well, one advantage of Invisibility is it doesn't suppress unless you click on a glowie..
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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Oh yes you can. |
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
you can't click a glowie while "Only Affecting Self"
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Invisibility also prevents auras from working while its up. So on an Ice Fire or Electric troller or anyone else with a large area effecting aura its not bad for running past bad guys without having to detoggle first.
Is Super Speed and Sprint with +Stealth an option for you? That gives you full invis as well I do believe. And without the stealth suppression of stealth.
We don' need no stinkin' signatures!
Mind my DP/Dev Blaster is going to use Cloaking Device + Stealth Proc + Smoke Grenade to nab glowies without being seen.
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Stealth proc DOES suppress when you click a glowie. Of that I'm sure.
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Originally Posted by DoctorWhat
Mind my DP/Dev Blaster is going to use Cloaking Device + Stealth Proc + Smoke Grenade to nab glowies without being seen.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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The only part of that combo allowing you to nab glowies without being seen during the actual clicking is the Smoke Grenade.
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Originally Posted by DoctorWhat
Mind my DP/Dev Blaster is going to use Cloaking Device + Stealth Proc + Smoke Grenade to nab glowies without being seen.
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Super Speed with a +Stealth IO will give full invis. There's no need for Sprint.
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Originally Posted by Suspicious_Pkg
Is Super Speed and Sprint with +Stealth an option for you? That gives you full invis as well I do believe. And without the stealth suppression of stealth.
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Yeah but some people need Super Speed for Zephyr or Winters Gift. You cant slot those in sprint.
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Originally Posted by Timeshadow
Super Speed with a +Stealth IO will give full invis. There's no need for Sprint.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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I also tend to not slot the stealth proc directly in superspeed. I like to be able to toggle stealth on and off independently of superspeed.
We don' need no stinkin' signatures!
Random note, for brutes energy aura(and posibly the dark armor cloak of darkness, but I haven't tested), neither energy cloak nor the SG base stealth buff supress, allowing fully invisible glowie clicking/combat on that particular powerset. 
At least it used to be...I haven't tested it out in a few issues, but I don't think they've changed either power.
Cloak of Darkness definitely does suppress when clicking a glowie.
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Same with Energy cloak. They wont have their defense suppress however, and they wont have their stealth suppress in combat.
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Originally Posted by teflonshugenja
Cloak of Darkness definitely does suppress when clicking a glowie.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Also should be noted that for god knows what reason fury notifies mobs w/in 5' so if you are a brute, no matter how much stealth you have, mobs will still react to you once you get close.
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That's kinda the point.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
The only part of that combo allowing you to nab glowies without being seen during the actual clicking is the Smoke Grenade.
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Everything else just helps GET me to the glowie.
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UNLESS you have an only affect self effect like those in Phase Shift or Invisibility. Also it's a half second pulse every 10 seconds.
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Also should be noted that for god knows what reason fury notifies mobs w/in 5' so if you are a brute, no matter how much stealth you have, mobs will still react to you once you get close.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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If i use Stealth, plus the celerity +Stealth proc in Run, would that give me enough stealth to bypass enemies the same way Invisibility does? I picked invis over stealth because i wasn't happy with the movement penalty, but invis has this "only affecting self" thing which makes it a pain. Also, I have a Kin and Ninja Run, so the -speed from Stealth isn't an issue anymore.
I looked in mids, and the Stealth+proc combo seems to give me more stealth range, but does Invis have any other advantage? I see that it has more +Def, but that doesn't help if i'm under attack and i need to fight back. I see also that it has -Threat, whereas Stealth doesn't.
So I guess my question becomes this: is the -threat enough of a mitigating factor to justify Invis over Stealth + Proc? Or will enemies see me the moment i bump into them?
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