Contagious Confusion proc and aggro?
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Posted on: 2011-05-28 15:56 in Player Questions
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I think so.
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Originally Posted by Wonka
Hello hoping this is the right place... have a question for a bunch of the vets with more experience in this.
Does the contagious confusion proc cause aggro? On my mind controller I was invis and sitting in the middle of a few spawns on a TF and started using confuse. No aggro until about the 4th one then boom.. everyone hates me at once. Usually I can stand right there and keep going with confuse... only thing I can think of is the proc itself isn't flagged !aggro like the power is. Is that WAI? If so going to have to move the set to mass confuse instead because it really ruins the power for me. |
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the contagious confuse proc i do not think causes aggro cause i use it on almost all of my toons with confuse and rarely if ever get aggro which is usually only from special AVs like in LRSF
the dmg procs DO cause aggro, that i am certain of
it -shouldn't-, AFAIK, but it might currently be bugged. I haven't noticed anything weird myself lately, but I'll keep an eye out.
PS, was the enemy who spotted you one of the few who ignore stealth? That may have been part of the issue.
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It is my experience that Contagious Confusion aggros all effected enemies. I have tested it again and again using it in World of Confusion and 65' Stealth. The Bosses and Lieutenants will not be confused by Mag 2, and never aggro. They do become confused by the Proc. Shortly after that, all enemies now aggro on me. This happens consistently.
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world of confusion does not keep you hidden, it reveals your position normally
single target confuses and mass confuse do not reveal your position though
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No. Confuse powers are not flagged to aggro. I've done this many, many times. WoC without a proc slotted will not aggro. With any proc, it will(when the proc successfully fires). |
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
world of confusion does not keep you hidden, it reveals your position normally
single target confuses and mass confuse do not reveal your position though |
They will aggro if they see you, like trying this without stealth.
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well we are both correct, i just checked in game detailed info and the mental manipulation version of world of confusion does not cause aggro but the psi mastery version does cause aggro|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
No. Confuse powers are not flagged to aggro. I've done this many, many times. WoC without a proc slotted will not aggro. With any proc, it will(when the proc successfully fires).
They will aggro if they see you, like trying this without stealth. |
idk why one causes aggro and one does not
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Seeds of Confusion would like to disagree with you. That is one of SoC's downsides. If World of Conusion for Mental Manipulation is not causing agro, I think that's a bug - as I recall it is also a damage aura.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
No. Confuse powers are not flagged to aggro. I've done this many, many times. WoC without a proc slotted will not aggro. With any proc, it will(when the proc successfully fires).
They will aggro if they see you, like trying this without stealth. |
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this is my guess as to whats happening
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
If World of Conusion for Mental Manipulation is not causing agro, I think that's a bug - as I recall it is also a damage aura.
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Checking paragonwiki on both the Mental Manipulation version and the Psi mastery (controller/dom) version, both list "Minor DoT," so if that's the case, both should be causing aggro.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
well we are both correct, i just checked in game detailed info and the mental manipulation version of world of confusion does not cause aggro but the psi mastery version does cause aggro
idk why one causes aggro and one does not |
Of course, either (a) the wiki's wrong on the blaster version, or (b) the in-game info is wrong on one of the powers by not showing the DoT. Both have been known to happen.... though the info in-game does mention the DoT (if you just hover over the power for the description.)
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The Blaster version has never aggro'ed from the point I entered the beta test for the power set till today. I may be misremembering, but I thought Castle explicitly stated during beta that it wasn't supposed to aggro despite the damage. As for the Psi Mastery one, that may have deliberately had the notify flag set to weaken the power for use in an APP.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Checking paragonwiki on both the Mental Manipulation version and the Psi mastery (controller/dom) version, both list "Minor DoT," so if that's the case, both should be causing aggro.
Of course, either (a) the wiki's wrong on the blaster version, or (b) the in-game info is wrong on one of the powers by not showing the DoT. Both have been known to happen.... though the info in-game does mention the DoT (if you just hover over the power for the description.) |
According to its Detailed Info, Contagious Confusion is not supposed to notify foes either. The only powers I have it slotted in are Seeds and WoC, so I can't say if it is working correctly in non-notify powers other than WoC. However, my experience with it slotted in Blaster MM WoC is identical to Derangedpolyglot's.
So I think the fact that the proc aggroes in Blaster WoC is a bug of some sort.
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So why is aggro even a concern if they are confused? they cant hit you anyways so long as you kill them before it wears off.
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Rule of thumb I generally go by is "If it's going to cause damage (or even debuff,) it'll cause aggro." Confuse (as opposed to WoC) *on its own* doesn't, for instance - or a better example, flash arrow from trick arrow will suddenly cause aggro with a debuff proc in it. |
Originally Posted by Kosmos
The Blaster version has never aggro'ed from the point I entered the beta test for the power set till today. I may be misremembering, but I thought Castle explicitly stated during beta that it wasn't supposed to aggro despite the damage. As for the Psi Mastery one, that may have deliberately had the notify flag set to weaken the power for use in an APP.
According to its Detailed Info, Contagious Confusion is not supposed to notify foes either. The only powers I have it slotted in are Seeds and WoC, so I can't say if it is working correctly in non-notify powers other than WoC. However, my experience with it slotted in Blaster MM WoC is identical to Derangedpolyglot's. So I think the fact that the proc aggroes in Blaster WoC is a bug of some sort. |
Contagious confusion - I can't say. It *shouldn't* cause aggro, no, but the characters I've used it on tend to be in melee at that point anyway (putting it in arctic air, for instance) so they end up getting noticed when it wears off.
I'd think if it *is* causing aggro, it's a bug, yeah.
If they threw a custom flag in WoC to not aggro, I don't recall it. *shrug* And I'd expect (yeah, I know) to see a callout to that effect with the in game info, which I'm not seeing right offhand. Then again, blasters do enough to get aggro that WoC *not* aggroing would be easy enough to miss!
yes it causes agro and it should, its a separate confuse that gets cast. for example if a mind dom in domination confuses a target and the proc fires only the dom's target will get the dom-boosted confuse while the proc's target will get a lower mag, lower duration agro-causing confuse. its not a bug, its by design.
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Except that, as I stated, Contagious Confusion's Detailed Info specifically states that it doesn't aggro.
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Originally Posted by Solo_One
yes it causes agro and it should, its a separate confuse that gets cast. for example if a mind dom in domination confuses a target and the proc fires only the dom's target will get the dom-boosted confuse while the proc's target will get a lower mag, lower duration agro-causing confuse. its not a bug, its by design.
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Look at [mental manipulation.world of confusion] Detailed Info in game. The last line in the second block is "Aggro Type: Enemies will not notice this attack". The Psionic Mastery version is missing that line.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
If they threw a custom flag in WoC to not aggro, I don't recall it. *shrug* And I'd expect (yeah, I know) to see a callout to that effect with the in game info, which I'm not seeing right offhand. Then again, blasters do enough to get aggro that WoC *not* aggroing would be easy enough to miss!
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Kosmos
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hmm... since I was looking at [blaster.world of confusion] (which is tagged "Mental manipulation") and totally skipped that. Twice. *chuckle* (Actually, three times, as I snagged a screen shot to show the note it was doing damage!) |
Originally Posted by Kosmos
Look at [mental manipulation.world of confusion] Detailed Info in game. The last line in the second block is "Aggro Type: Enemies will not notice this attack". The Psionic Mastery version is missing that line.
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Except confuse effects don't do damage or debuff, and therefor should NOT cause agro. It's the primary strength of confuse powers, that they won't notify the bosses in a mob that you're standing 60 feet away.
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Originally Posted by Solo_One
yes it causes agro and it should, its a separate confuse that gets cast. for example if a mind dom in domination confuses a target and the proc fires only the dom's target will get the dom-boosted confuse while the proc's target will get a lower mag, lower duration agro-causing confuse. its not a bug, its by design.
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Only if the confuse is made that way. But the proc really should not agro just because several common confuses don't and it IS a purple set.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
Except confuse effects don't do damage or debuff, and therefor should NOT cause agro. It's the primary strength of confuse powers, that they won't notify the bosses in a mob that you're standing 60 feet away.
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Hello hoping this is the right place... have a question for a bunch of the vets with more experience in this.
Does the contagious confusion proc cause aggro? On my mind controller I was invis and sitting in the middle of a few spawns on a TF and started using confuse. No aggro until about the 4th one then boom.. everyone hates me at once.
Usually I can stand right there and keep going with confuse... only thing I can think of is the proc itself isn't flagged !aggro like the power is.
Is that WAI? If so going to have to move the set to mass confuse instead because it really ruins the power for me.