I just calculate it like a normal tohit chance, except that I have to hit three times in a row rather than one.
I can't see an attack chain using VS (except for the AV combo) being good ; maybe you meant SS? SS is the highest DPA of DB, while VS is one of the lowest.
I went the Empower > Sweeping Strike > Repeat route, but didn't find it to be an increase in DPS, and I also found that Empower just didn't go off everytime I ran through the chain.
BF > Attack Vitals kept winning out.
Never got enough +RCH ina build to run the BF>AS>SS>AS chain...so can't help with that one.
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It would be so nice if you could write out the full attack names for powers since not all of us are familiar with their abbreviations.
My personal choice for a Dual Blades Scrapper's attack chain has always been the following:
Empower -> Sweep -> Attack Vitals -> Power Slice -> Repeat
At least, that's my choice without any recharge slotting. The linchpin to a lot of Dual Blades combos is Ablating Strike, so you need to space your combos such that it will have recharged. If you start with an Empower combo, the Empower buff will last long enough to Empower the Sweep combo for some extra damage. By the time you're back to doing an Attack Vitals combo, Empower will have expired, but Ablating Strike should have recharged. The Power Slice in there is just to space things out so Ablating Stike has time to recharge before the next Empower combo, as Power Slice is only use in Sweep and it recharges fast enough to be available again in time.
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It would be so nice if you could write out the full attack names for powers since not all of us are familiar with their abbreviations.
My personal choice for a Dual Blades Scrapper's attack chain has always been the following: Empower -> Sweep -> Attack Vitals -> Power Slice -> Repeat At least, that's my choice without any recharge slotting. The linchpin to a lot of Dual Blades combos is Ablating Strike, so you need to space your combos such that it will have recharged. If you start with an Empower combo, the Empower buff will last long enough to Empower the Sweep combo for some extra damage. By the time you're back to doing an Attack Vitals combo, Empower will have expired, but Ablating Strike should have recharged. The Power Slice in there is just to space things out so Ablating Stike has time to recharge before the next Empower combo, as Power Slice is only use in Sweep and it recharges fast enough to be available again in time. |
Blinding Feint > Attack Vitals > Sweep > Repeat
I don't recall needing any +Recharge bonuses for that (admittedly it's been awhile since I used this attack string), allows you to skip Nimble Slash for another power, and I'm pretty sure it comes out better on over all damage.
Of course, if you just like to use the Empower Combo or like to use all the attacks or what have you, that's a different story, but could save some room on your build.
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One thing to consider is that while dropping VS could possibly increase your single target damage slightly, there's just no way that anything other than the top chain is going to outdamage BF -> AV versus all targets in the cone. So to more directly answer your question I don't actually know how much the AV bonus contributes, other than "a lot" which I can only report anecdotally.
The DoT is 5*12.51 according to tomax, which is increased by damage buffs (from Sweeping Strike, and perhaps globally too) in my experience. So multiply 62.55 by whatever your damage buff is, then if calculating at the tohit cap, multiply that value by .95*.95*.95 (since you have to hit with all three attacks to get the DoT).
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One thing to consider is that while dropping VS could possibly increase your single target damage slightly, there's just no way that anything other than the top chain is going to outdamage BF -> AV versus all targets in the cone. So to more directly answer your question I don't actually know how much the AV bonus contributes, other than "a lot" which I can only report anecdotally.
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Admittedly, that's with a few expensive IOs in the mix, but I don't think BF > NS > AS > SS gets to that level of DPS.
The attack chain would be faster, but I think the AVC DoT makes up for it quite a bit.
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Actually yeah, if the AV combo is worth one entire damage scale, nimble slash will not do you any favors. Just roll that additional damage into vengeful slice and it suddenly looks a lot more appealing! And it's aoe, and the entire team can see how much behind you're stomping thanks to the convenient floating words. I hadn't realized that AV causes sweeping strike to hit as hard as headsplitter. Just, you know, in 1.23 seconds and with a 90 degree arc. DB is so great.
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Of course, if you just like to use the Empower Combo or like to use all the attacks or what have you, that's a different story, but could save some room on your build.
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Never got enough +RCH ina build to run the BF>AS>SS>AS chain...so can't help with that one.
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Around how much +rch might that be?
I have a new brute that might like to know eventually.
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Blinding Feint > Ablating Strike > Sweeping Strike > Ablating Strike requires 213% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Blinding Feint, 187% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Sweeping Strike, and 313% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Ablating Strike. This is by far the best damaging chain.
Vengeful Slice > Empower is going to be your worst chain because it includes the 3 powers with the worst Damage per Activation in DB and has the longest time between casting Blinding Feint (meaning a lower overall damage buff). Empower only gives an extra 10% +damage and will only work about every other time due to a bug.
Blinding Feint > Attack Vitals will be your best compromise. It gives good DPS without outrageous recharge requirements. It needs 127% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Blinding Feint, 8% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Ablating Strike, 96%+recharge (enh and buffs) in Vengeful Slice, and 108% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Sweeping Strike.
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Blinding Feint > Ablating Strike > Sweeping Strike > Ablating Strike requires 213% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Blinding Feint, 187% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Sweeping Strike, and 313% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Ablating Strike. This is by far the best damaging chain.
Vengeful Slice > Empower is going to be your worst chain because it includes the 3 powers with the worst Damage per Activation in DB and has the longest time between casting Blinding Feint (meaning a lower overall damage buff). Empower only gives an extra 10% +damage and will only work about every other time due to a bug. Blinding Feint > Attack Vitals will be your best compromise. It gives good DPS without outrageous recharge requirements. It needs 127% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Blinding Feint, 8% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Ablating Strike, 96%+recharge (enh and buffs) in Vengeful Slice, and 108% +recharge (enh and buffs) in Sweeping Strike. |
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Is the AV combo harder on scrapper or brute DoT not affected by crit but does get affected fury damage boost or do i see it wrong?
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DB relies heavily on Blinding Feint which doesn't give as much of a boost on brutes (due to much lower base damage because of Fury as well as lower damage mods). Using BF->AV, a DB brute needed about 88 Fury to break even with a DB scrapper ; now that Fury usually tops around 73 during an AV fight, the brute does lower damage.
Does anyone know how to do this? Because as much as I like the animation for Vengeful Slice, ignoring the combo's bonus damage, BF-AV is significantly lower DPS than BF-VS-NS-AS
(Which is a relatively high DPS chain which requires less recharge than the top chains, and gets the empowerment combo bonus, small though it may be.) So I guess my question is this:
What does more DPS:
BF-AV
or
VS-Empower
Or if someone can explain how to calculate the AV DPS contribution myself, that works too.
Thanks in advance