New HP7 part 2 trailer
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Posted on: 2011-04-27 22:23 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Okay, there is a disconnect for statements I've seen like that here on the forums for the seventh book. It's necessary but tedious is rather contradictory. For me, that last book's opening starts you out hoping that things might work out okay, and then quite literally throws you in the pit of despair (with no Princess Bride, rasping voiced Albino to make you grin about it... slightly). The three are entirely alone and lonely, and Ron leaving is about ten times worse than the other issues he has occasionally had with Harry in previous books. |
Originally Posted by docbuzzard
I fully agree. The first half of that book was dreary and tedious. It may have arguably been necessary for the story, but good lord was it boring. Honestly the movie made the best of it possible.
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That's not tedious, that's as sad and hopeless as life can get... a powerful statement, especially for many kids books and Hollywood stories these days, which have difficulty making things dark in a worthwhile way (other than being "gritty"). Getting to that point is depressing, yes (I was feeling like things were even more hopeless than after Dumbledore died), but something that makes the book work so well. When the Horcrux is destroyed, things feel like they are going up even when a certain important someone dies. The heights and hope that the seventh book has are not possible without those depths of despair we have to go through. Despair is not fun to go through, I know, but it is needed for the story, and not tedious. Tedious =/= not wanting to go through something.
As far as construction and pacing goes, I think the sixth and the seventh books are probably the best of the series. Books four and five were nice, but felt a little bloated and meandering, even if I liked a lot of the details they had. The last two books are quite driven despite having a lot going on in them, and I would say are the best of the lot.
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My daughter just finished reading the series (I'll be forever grateful to Ms Rowling for turning her into a bookworm). I asked what her favourite part of The Deathly Hallows is -- without hesitation she said, "Mrs. Weasley kicking butt."
Or maybe it was the naughty word 
Edit: fortunately she goes to an urban public school, so she most likely knew that it was used appropriately.
Really when i was reading DHs when it got to what part with Mrs W, i really kinda cringed. I am not saying it was out of character or anything at all, but it just seemed like more then any other part of the book, that one particular scene was a totally blatent pandering to writing a scene for a movie, rather then a novel.
I will say right now though, that i want to see Neville stand up and be counted, and also I want to see that one scene when Harry is invisible and the Carrows strike Professor McGon. and he pops out. I know its odd to my opinion above, but some how that scene in the book was just perfect to that actress' style. And i want to see Prof McG nail Slughorn to the wall with that "Its time to choose a side" speech she gave him.
I just have a suspicion that the ending it going to feel very different from the book. That in an attempt to create the ultimate wizarding duel that the humanity of the story is going to be lost. We might get the dream sequence with Dumbledore but i have a feeling alot of that last exchage between V and H is going to get axed for a flashy wand battle.
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I think JKR could have had all that and not made the last book as badly-paced as it was. I consider the 7th book to be great but by far NOT the best paced book of the series. It also helped to solidify my dislike of the Dumbledore character. Not for his finally revealed history, but for everything he DIDN'T tell ALOT of people (not just Harry). Had he actually OPENED his frigging mouth to a few more folks (perhaps 1 to 3 more) a lot of the crap that happened in the 7th book could have been prevented.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Okay, there is a disconnect for statements I've seen like that here on the forums for the seventh book. It's necessary but tedious is rather contradictory. For me, that last book's opening starts you out hoping that things might work out okay, and then quite literally throws you in the pit of despair (with no Princess Bride, rasping voiced Albino to make you grin about it... slightly). The three are entirely alone and lonely, and Ron leaving is about ten times worse than the other issues he has occasionally had with Harry in previous books.
That's not tedious, that's as sad and hopeless as life can get... a powerful statement, especially for many kids books and Hollywood stories these days, which have difficulty making things dark in a worthwhile way (other than being "gritty"). Getting to that point is depressing, yes (I was feeling like things were even more hopeless than after Dumbledore died), but something that makes the book work so well. When the Horcrux is destroyed, things feel like they are going up even when a certain important someone dies. The heights and hope that the seventh book has are not possible without those depths of despair we have to go through. Despair is not fun to go through, I know, but it is needed for the story, and not tedious. Tedious =/= not wanting to go through something. As far as construction and pacing goes, I think the sixth and the seventh books are probably the best of the series. Books four and five were nice, but felt a little bloated and meandering, even if I liked a lot of the details they had. The last two books are quite driven despite having a lot going on in them, and I would say are the best of the lot. |
I clearly understand WHY he went about it the way he did (especially in regards to Harry), but I DISAGREE strongly with MANY of the HOWs.
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And would have the series been more interesting if more people knew what to do? I was sitting on the edge of my chair the entire two hours when I was reading the book for the first time.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
I think JKR could have had all that and not made the last book as badly-paced as it was. I consider the 7th book to be great but by far NOT the best paced book of the series. It also helped to solidify my dislike of the Dumbledore character. Not for his finally revealed history, but for everything he DIDN'T tell ALOT of people (not just Harry). Had he actually OPENED his frigging mouth to a few more folks (perhaps 1 to 3 more) a lot of the crap that happened in the 7th book could have been prevented.
I clearly understand WHY he went about it the way he did (especially in regards to Harry), but I DISAGREE strongly with MANY of the HOWs. |
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I'd argue yes, it could have been.|
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And would have the series been more interesting if more people knew what to do? I was sitting on the edge of my chair the entire two hours when I was reading the book for the first time.
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But will leave it at that.
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I don't have any problem with the idea of the first half of the last book of a long series spending some time building up some tension to properly set up for the climactic finale. I just have a problem with a movie in an otherwise good series being overly tedious and badly paced.
I simply don't think the series "required" a bad, semi-forgettable installment to achieve the ultimate goal of getting to the end of the story. Whether that was Rowling's misstep or the movie makers doesn't really matter much at this point. *shrugs*
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I really can't decide on specific scenes but I love when the bad guys get their butts kicked so Weasley Vs. Bellatrix is gonna be AWESOMESAUCE and when Harry tells who Voldemort who is the actual owner of the wand...I'm going to reread the series AGAIN before the movies comes out