Have they repaired PvP yet?


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Considering whether I should renew my sub. Have they repaired what they did to the game with i13 yet?


 

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No, and there are no indications they plan on revisiting PvP 2.0 anytime soon, if ever.


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No, and there are no indications they plan on revisiting PvP 2.0 anytime soon, if ever.
War witch actually said they would take a look at it after the incarnates were released. Highly doubt it's actually true though.


 

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War witch actually said they would take a look at it after the incarnates were released. Highly doubt it's actually true though.
Zwil has braved the forums trying to ask specific questions about PvP Play experience:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=253809
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=254064

The amount of information actually derived from those threads was minimal. What we do know from those threads is that the pre-I13 PvP experience is not coming back, ever. The developers have no intentions of doing a roll-back or re-implementing the Pre-I13 experience.

Now, as to whether or not PvP itself will ever be revisited... I think it is something that will get kicked around the Paragon Studios office, but I highly suspect NCSoft themselves will put the kibosh on funding any direct work. As far as I am aware NCSoft's policy is still to push PvP oriented players to current PvP oriented franchises Guild Wars and Aion.


 

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Those posts were just the courtesy they give to pvper's every now and then. There have been countless other places where everyone has stated what needs to be fixed. They know what's wrong, and know what they need to do to fix it, but the pvp population is not substantial enough for them to put money into it. the end.


 

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Originally Posted by Tokyo View Post
Considering whether I should renew my sub. Have they repaired what they did to the game with i13 yet?
In short.

No.

A slightly more descriptive answer of the situation?



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Those posts were just the courtesy they give to pvper's every now and then. There have been countless other places where everyone has stated what needs to be fixed. They know what's wrong, and know what they need to do to fix it, but the pvp population is not substantial enough for them to put money into it. the end.
This.



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Zwil has braved the forums trying to ask specific questions about PvP Play experience:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=253809
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=254064

The amount of information actually derived from those threads was minimal. What we do know from those threads is that the pre-I13 PvP experience is not coming back, ever. The developers have no intentions of doing a roll-back or re-implementing the Pre-I13 experience.

Now, as to whether or not PvP itself will ever be revisited... I think it is something that will get kicked around the Paragon Studios office, but I highly suspect NCSoft themselves will put the kibosh on funding any direct work. As far as I am aware NCSoft's policy is still to push PvP oriented players to current PvP oriented franchises Guild Wars and Aion.

Its apparent the majority of those that honestly responded to the 3 threads , 2 from zwill, 1 from beastyle, want the same thing pre I13 style of PvP.

I sadly don't see anything happening with PvP, because they still refuse to admit the changes were a massive failure, and the 3 threads didn't give them what they wanted to hear.

Its a shame they won't just switch it back and give the few players left who would PvP the epic, fast paced, comic book style hero vs. villian that pre I13 offered.

If the current state of PvP in Coh is the attitude they project, i can't see players going to other games offered by the franchise, i see them moving away from anything offered by nc soft all together.


 

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If the current state of PvP in Coh is the attitude they project, i can't see players going to other games offered by the franchise, i see them moving away from anything offered by nc soft all together.
This.
Suspected it for a long time.
I'm sad to give them money for playing at Coh. And i'll never play any game offered by them.


 

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If you think that at this point reverting back to i12 is a good idea then you are a fool. The issue here isn't the idea of reverting back that the true die hards have begged for its the fact PvP has NEVER seen much of a look until i13 where it got neutered and then abandoned again.

Incarnate release killed any hope that i12 pvp would return, try to tell me otherwise with all these new CRAZY powers around.

The dev's need to come up with a PvP 2.5 now that takes the current system and implements it with aspects of 1.0, but to completely go back to 1.0 will further express how broken the pvp is. However, no matter how hard you try the current system will never find and ultimate balance with the current powersets and variations and the dev's don't want to try to find the closests balance possible for the lowest percentage of their players. Why did you think they seperated PvP and PvE during that issue as well????

However, don't let this discourage you, please continue to hope/pray/wish.


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Considering whether I should renew my sub. Have they repaired what they did to the game with i13 yet?
Working at paragon studios must be a programmer's dream job. They don't have to fix things, they just break them in new and different ways, then laugh


 

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Its apparent the majority of those that honestly responded to the 3 threads , 2 from zwill, 1 from beastyle, want the same thing pre I13 style of PvP.
i don't think thats necessarily true. i think its apparent that everyone in that thread wants a not i13 style of pvp more than a pre i13 style of pvp.

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I sadly don't see anything happening with PvP, because they still refuse to admit the changes were a massive failure, and the 3 threads didn't give them what they wanted to hear.

Its a shame they won't just switch it back and give the few players left who would PvP the epic, fast paced, comic book style hero vs. villian that pre I13 offered.
it wasn't all that great. yea it was better than now, by alot, but it still had could use a fair amount of toying with

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If the current state of PvP in Coh is the attitude they project, i can't see players going to other games offered by the franchise, i see them moving away from anything offered by nc soft all together.
perhaps, i've got afew friends that play guild wars and from what they've told me, it's a very pvp oriented game that can be pretty fun. I don't think NCsoft has some big master secret plot to push all pvpers towards those games, I think it's just more localized in that the people a PS F***ed this thing up and have no idea how to fix it and have had success in the past ignoring those types of issues instead of fixing them.


Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.

 

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Considering whether I should renew my sub. Have they repaired what they did to the game with i13 yet?
nope and the funny thing is they ruined pve too. go figure . . .


 

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Considering whether I should renew my sub. Have they repaired what they did to the game with i13 yet?
Nope, there are basically a handful of useful ATs, sprinkle TK and some support for buffs/heals/disruption and go from there. Incarnate powers make things even dumber than before.

Just PvE or sub to another MMO where the Devs actually modify PvP and examine it on a regular basis.


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Considering whether I should renew my sub. Have they repaired what they did to the game with i13 yet?
lol?