so your upset that something that was designed not to be taken down by single foes cannot be taken down by you ??
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
Well, if he's got the DPS and abilities to take down so many *other* AVs, why does this one get to be so much tougher? I'd think it's not so much that 'I ought to be able to kill everything, wah', but more like 'why does this (relatively) unimportant AV have so much more powerful defensive abilities than practically every other?'
@MuonNeutrino
Student, Gamer, Altaholic, and future Astronomer.
This is what it means to be a tank!
solo or not, the new seige has a huge problem with the heal, ive seen reports of poeple saying they had a full team and still couldnt take him down due to his massive heal
i think the best way to take him down is bring someone with -special or -heal
(gravitic interface, poison, or cold dom could seriously help)
Hmm? Oh, sorry. I was distracted by the intro cutscene. You gotta admit, that's a helluva way to kick off an Incarnate Trial!
Oh, right, Siege is kicking your ***. Well, good luck with that. I'll just go back to drooling over War Walker Siege and Mother Mayhem's ample...thighs.
(Though I'm pretty sure you're probably not talking about the BAF Trial, here.)
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you are correct, the version of seige described is the one in an extra mish from maria jenkins AV arc
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Originally Posted by JAG-01
(Though I'm pretty sure you're probably not talking about the BAF Trial, here.)
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Siege isn't the only AV who heals himself. There's a reason that Cold Domination is preferred for hardcore AV soloist builds.
Downgrade to Elite Boss. Almost everyone else has to do it at some point. This is yours.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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that version of seige even as an EB is quite difficult, my ninja/dark mm had him set to -1 so he was 2 lvls lower than him and i still needed (in addtion to my 6 pets and dark servant) a HVAS and arachnos mini blaster and even then i was just barely out damaging his regen/heal before i could kill him
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Originally Posted by Obitus
Downgrade to Elite Boss. Almost everyone else has to do it at some point. This is yours.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
that version of seige even as an EB is quite difficult, my ninja/dark mm had him set to -1 so he was 2 lvls lower than him and i still needed (in addtion to my 6 pets and dark servant) a HVAS and arachnos mini blaster and even then i was just barely out damaging his regen/heal before i could kill him
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The OP was complaining about an AV, though. If he can reliably get the AV version of Siege down to 20% health, as he said, then he should find EB Siege trivially easy.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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Well I am downgrading him to a level 49 EB, but as Muon_Neutrino I don't get why this AV has to have an auto heal that fires every single time. Even Baphomet's and Sunstorm's heal only fires a few times.
Keep in mind he can't KILL me (unless I drop out of BG mode and stop focusing on debuffing his damage), but even with the Hero damage buff, feeding my *** bot red meat and using envenomed dagger and other temp powers I still can't kill him.
I can't rage quit (my wife and RLFs play), but between this, the Event disconnecting me every time I've tried to play it, noticing my vet powers that I have EARNED through several years of play are nerfed during the Events, and the insane amount of new currency for the new Incarnate slots, well I have a feeling I'll finally be finishing Red Dead Redemption.
It really sucks to have built up a toon for over a year, investing time into the Alpha slot and the infamy for purple sets, that can handle AVs and GMs , to have that toon nerfed to the point where Siege is unkillable to him.
I can solo Jurassik but not Siege. Really?
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
so your upset that something that was designed not to be taken down by single foes cannot be taken down by you ??
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In this case you're not being "nerfed" in any way. Siege is simply built in a way which your powers aren't suited to dealing with very well, regardless of how awesome that combination of powers is against some other things.|
Originally Posted by JoeKent
Well I am downgrading him to a level 49 EB, but as Muon_Neutrino I don't get why this AV has to have an auto heal that fires every single time. Even Baphomet's and Sunstorm's heal only fires a few times.
Keep in mind he can't KILL me (unless I drop out of BG mode and stop focusing on debuffing his damage), but even with the Hero damage buff, feeding my *** bot red meat and using envenomed dagger and other temp powers I still can't kill him. I can't rage quit (my wife and RLFs play), but between this, the Event disconnecting me every time I've tried to play it, noticing my vet powers that I have EARNED through several years of play are nerfed during the Events, and the insane amount of new currency for the new Incarnate slots, well I have a feeling I'll finally be finishing Red Dead Redemption. It really sucks to have built up a toon for over a year, investing time into the Alpha slot and the infamy for purple sets, that can handle AVs and GMs , to have that toon nerfed to the point where Siege is unkillable to him. I can solo Jurassik but not Siege. Really? |
There's one of the Incarnate powers which has an option of adding a -special to all of your attacks. That might be enough to weaken his heal enough for you to beat him.
I'm not sure if AVs resist the Interface debuffs though, if they don't that may be your best option as the other thing it offers is -recharge I think, further slowing his ability to self-heal.
Edit : Gravitic Radial Interface: 25% -rech, 25% -secondary effect should be the one to go for. The 25% chance isn't much but with all your pets blasting away it should quickly stack 4 times and stay there.
Hmm... I haven't seen Siege heal in the iTrials, and I've done 4-5 BAFs already. What gives?
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Hmm... I haven't seen Siege heal in the iTrials, and I've done 4-5 BAFs already. What gives?
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As Necrotech already said, the OP is talking about the non-trial version
Oh ok, thanks!
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Now if I just get into a trial without map serving ever single time....
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
In this case you're not being "nerfed" in any way. Siege is simply built in a way which your powers aren't suited to dealing with very well, regardless of how awesome that combination of powers is against some other things.
There's one of the Incarnate powers which has an option of adding a -special to all of your attacks. That might be enough to weaken his heal enough for you to beat him. I'm not sure if AVs resist the Interface debuffs though, if they don't that may be your best option as the other thing it offers is -recharge I think, further slowing his ability to self-heal. Edit : Gravitic Radial Interface: 25% -rech, 25% -secondary effect should be the one to go for. The 25% chance isn't much but with all your pets blasting away it should quickly stack 4 times and stay there. |
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Originally Posted by JoeKent
Now if I just get into a trial without map serving ever single time....
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Well that's a whole different kettle of fish. I've taken your approach in that regard (although replace Red Dead Redemption with Assassins Creed 2), until they fix the issue.
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BAF Trial Siege doesn't have the crazy heals, but compensates by summoning wave after wave of bosses with buffs and debuffs into the nines. Kinda like what every Mastermind strives for.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
Hmm... I haven't seen Siege heal in the iTrials, and I've done 4-5 BAFs already. What gives?
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*Is sad War Walkers didn't work out as Lore pets.
*Also, it's easier to get into a Trial earlier in the day or later at night, when there aren't as many people on.
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Originally Posted by JoeKent
I'm sorry, but this is crap. He's an AV, he already has massive hit points and regen. An auto heal that triggers every time you get close to beating him is cheap.
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It uses the same "trick" and I've still seen him unbeatable by 8 people
The heal along with his high resists are a bit overkill. Also his recharge on the heal and the strength of the heal is far too much.
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I'm pretty sure I have. It's hard to catch in the spam, but I've noted his HP bar jumping up once or twice - I thought it was a server lag thing, but this makes more sense.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Hmm... I haven't seen Siege heal in the iTrials, and I've done 4-5 BAFs already. What gives?
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I'm with Lobster. One time Siege and Nightstar were down to 3% or so and we proceeded to spike the two. All of the sudden, Siege went to 9% or so (can't remember exactly, but the two died anyway). I think that was a heal, because I and some others should have been keeping his regeneration floored the whole time.
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Originally Posted by Lobster
I'm pretty sure I have. It's hard to catch in the spam, but I've noted his HP bar jumping up once or twice - I thought it was a server lag thing, but this makes more sense.
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Okay.
My bots /traps MM has soloed over 70 avs and a few gms. So I'm fighting the new Siege and I notice that I can't get him down past half his health. Every time he goes down to 20% health he auto heals back to 50%.
Every.
Single.
Time.
I am max alpha slotted for muscleature, and now matter how much damage I do he auto heals. He's unkillable. I even downgraded hin to level 49, making me +2 to him and he's still unkillable.
I'm sorry, but this is crap. He's an AV, he already has massive hit points and regen. An auto heal that triggers every time you get close to beating him is cheap.
I'm not trying to take down Recluse or Tyrant, for pity's sake. It's freakin' Siege.
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