Dark Astoria Backstory


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So you're all a time-traveling extra-dimensional Nemesis Plot?
Don't forget "insane!"


"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"

"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."

 

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Sometimes I get the feeling that the devs intentionally filled their city with timeline/backstory contradictions, perhaps reflecting the way superhero comics often go through various different origins and retcons and retellings as the decades pass.

Each conflict reflects a "scar" in the city- a remnant from a reality-changing event (like the Faultline story). Just as, from a storytelling point of view, certain characters remember what 'really' happened, some artifacts remain behind as well.
I blame Oroborous.

And Canada.

And Recluse's earwax.


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We are all, secretly, "The Well".

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Secretly? Looks like you just blew that.


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Sometimes I get the feeling that the devs intentionally filled their city with timeline/backstory contradictions, perhaps reflecting the way superhero comics often go through various different origins and retcons and retellings as the decades pass.
I think one of the other most blaring ones is the age of Talos Island. Some game info tells us how the giant hero Talos became buried in the seabed while fighting his nemesis, and they tore a rift in the seafloor from which lava poured out, forming the island. Talos is also mentioned as having been active in the 1950s and 1960s, although it's then mentioned that people have come to think of the story as a myth even though it happened less than a lifetime ago.

On the other hand, game lore around the former Paragon City mayor Spanky Rabinowitz states that he was born on Talos Island in 1878...


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Which would be a nice idea if they can make it like Recluse's Victory(without the pvp aspect)to make it witha mission and timer to revert back to its foggy state! It's prolly been suggested before,not sure. But It would be a nice change of pace and add more depth story wise and population.


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Heh, I had actually made a similar suggestion a long time ago, only instead of the fog lifting for a less ominous feel, the fog lifted to reveal just hos dark and corrupted Dark Astoria had become. Basically I summed it as: "just imagine, a noob goes into Dark Astoria and thinks 'this place is kind of foggy and boring, I can't see too well. What's with that air raid siren? Oh, hey, the fog's lifting, I can se-... OHMYGODCHANGEITBACK!CHANGEITBACK!FORTHELOVEOFGOD,B RINGBACKTHEFOG!'"


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So you're all a time-traveling extra-dimensional Nemesis Plot?
Actually I took that to be more inclusive. I AM the Well. You ARE the Well. We are ALL secretly . . . the Well.


 

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Actually I took that to be more inclusive. I AM the Well. You ARE the Well. We are ALL secretly . . . the Well.
I am the Eggman. They are the Eggman. I am the Walrus. Ku-Ku-Kachoo...


 

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I'd love to see Dark Astoria be revamped but with a twist: set it in the 1940s, give it a "film noir" feeling and make the fog come and go on random cycles. Something to scare the bejeezus out of the players.


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I think one of the other most blaring ones is the age of Talos Island. Some game info tells us how the giant hero Talos became buried in the seabed while fighting his nemesis, and they tore a rift in the seafloor from which lava poured out, forming the island. Talos is also mentioned as having been active in the 1950s and 1960s, although it's then mentioned that people have come to think of the story as a myth even though it happened less than a lifetime ago.

On the other hand, game lore around the former Paragon City mayor Spanky Rabinowitz states that he was born on Talos Island in 1878...
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Penny Yin didn't use her powers to destroy the PsychoChronoMetron. She used it to make you THINK she had. She kept it-- for safekeeping, of course, and never really REALLY intended to use it.

...Until then she got that D- on her Civics class' "History of Paragon City" exam. She coulda even accepted that, if that ditzy Fusionette hadn't beaten her with a B-. Rather than boosting her grade with some extra credit, she used the PsychoChronoMetron to set everything to fit HER answers and then disputed the test score.

She'd really wanted to set things back after the marking period was over... honest!


 

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I'd love to see Dark Astoria be revamped but with a twist: set it in the 1940s, give it a "film noir" feeling and make the fog come and go on random cycles. Something to scare the bejeezus out of the players.
Of all the heroside zones, Dark Astoria should be the one that looks most like St. Martial/Bloody Bay with those big Gothic style buildings, ceiling gardens, fountains, all that jazz. It just FITS.

Can you imagine zooming through that fog and coming face-to-face with a gargoyle? Gyah...

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we are all, secretly, "the well".

- z
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Can you imagine zooming through that fog and coming face-to-face with a gargoyle? Gyah...
As I usually crash face first into the buildings, a gargoyle would be the least of my problems.
But then again...
Giving Hellfire Gargoyles a stonecoloured skin, removing the particle effect and then putting them onto some buildings (perfectly still of course) to jump at unwary players should be good for a few laughs.


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Wow, everyone. Thanks for all the input!

Dark Astoria's buildings don't look older than the mid-70's, and might even be early 80's. I would think if Astoria went dark then, then some of the signs on the stores, and on the theater would be from around that era...but I can understand if they didn't want to make extra graphics for that when they made the zone, and haven't done much with the zone since.

If the Cyclic idea were to pan out, and it went dark in 1953...then say, after 25-30 years until the heroes manage to clean it out again. That'd make it 1978-1983. That would give approximately 20 years for people to move back into Astoria before the Rikti invade. After that, whatever heroes were keeping the place 'light' would be gone, and possibly whatever stopgaps had been put into place to contain Lughebu and the Banished Pantheon's antics could have been destroyed too, making a 'redarkening' likely.

This also works with a multidimensional aspect too...If the boundaries between realities were thinner in Dark Astoria, then mirrored Astorias might overlap and 'bleed over' their badness. It also means that in other realities Astoria could have gone dark anytime, and multiple people have different memories of the event that are also actual events even if they are contradictory.

So I could write my background, and give Deadwing fragmented memories from the 90's. I could set the birth of the character 15 years before the Rikti invasion (Deadwing was sacrificially murdered in Astoria at the age of 15).

I'd still rather not write something then have people complain about it's 'inaccuracy'. Maybe I just shouldn't even care about that and write the backstory anyway. I even have an apartment in Astoria picked out that was her room (north side of map, across the street from the thin, non-hilly section across from Moth Cemetary; Third floor up directly over the mexican food restaurant, not the skyscraper; her room was on the top floor of her building)

I think there's a thread in the forums for posting Origin stories and backgrounds and stuff?
Anyone interested in reading Deadwing Lullabye's?


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Dark Astoria's exploration badges from Issues 6 and, particularly, 19 added a lot of atmosphere, even if they didn't clarify the zone's conflicting lore.

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  • Astoria's Last Stand: As the darkness closed in and the dead rose from their graves, this warehouse became a scene of unimaginable horror as a group of survivors fled here in the hope of rescue that never came. They fought valiantly, keeping the minions of the Banished Pantheon at bay for hours. The forces arrayed at them were too numerous and too powerful to be denied forever and the survivors succumbed along with the rest of Astoria's doomed inhabitants.
  • Cairn Warder: This cairn was once the location of a rift to the Netherworld, but has since been closed.
    Dark Mystic: Some claim the reason the spirits walk the streets of Dark Astoria is the fact that there is a powerful Ley Line nexus in the middle of Moth Cemetery.
  • Phantom Radio: Since the fall of Astoria, shortwave enthusiasts in Paragon City and beyond have occasionally happened upon strange transmissions of ghostly whispers, wailing pleas, bestial shouts of rage, and haunting voices chanting in dead languages. Those who have heard these grim transmissions nearly always suffer for it; their lives claimed by some unexpected calamity or their minds by a sudden and inexplicable mental illness. M.A.G.I. eventually traced the transmission to this radio tower.
  • Seeker of the Unknown: This tomb is used to represent the thousands of heroes who gave their lives in the Rikti War.
  • The Sleeper Below: Deep beneath the cemetery ziggurat the presence of the slumbering god Mot can be most strongly felt. The Banished Pantheon have longed to awaken the sleeper and so congregate here in large numbers. Treading upon this unhallowed ground you get the definite feeling that something does not want you here, an evil presence that wishes you ill.
  • Too Dark Park: In a far corner of the district lies McCraughly Park, a shadowy strip of green that had a dark reputation even before Astoria and its citizens were consumed by evil. Clusters of suicides, strange disappearances, and even a well-publicized multiple murder cast a dark shadow across the park. In the years leading up to the rise of Dark Astoria, the park was largely shunned, but now that the Banished Pantheon have dominion over the district, the park has become a focal point for their evil rituals.
  • Whisperer on Witchburn Hill: It is rumored that in the dim past of the nation's founding, this hill was the site of witch burning. No official records exist that back up this legend, but even before Astoria fell to darkness this hill in Moth Cemetery was well known for the feelings of unease it elicited in anyone brave enough to scale its flanks. Scaling the steep sides of "Witchburn" hill was a common rite of passage for Astoria teenagers looking to impress their friends, though none could stand to remain on the hilltop for long. Since the fall of Astoria, priests of the Banished Pantheon flock to the locale, using it as a site for dark rituals, further lending some credence to the legend that a malevolent power clings to the place.
One can tell that whichever devs are writing the text for the new exploration badges, they're enjoying the task. And as an Explorer gamer type, naturally I approve of the lengthier, more colorful descriptions. (Revising/expanding the old ones would be nice, too, in the devs' copious free time.)


 

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I would have difficulty with anything other than "Astoria Goes Dark, Heroes Restore It, 50 Years Later Rikti Invade, Restored Astoria Goes Dark Again."

After one bout of Darkness that the heroes dispel, folks might venture back if they had ties to the area and it had not been dark TOO long. After a decade or two of peace, the Darkness would be viewed as a one-time run of bad luck, like a natural disaster, and there would be no impediment to living there with it gone. Consider that in our present state of affairs in DA, even once the Darkness is dispelled again, very few folks will likely ever venture back to a place that went dark, came out, then went dark again and featured a festive massacre of the inhabitants. I know I wouldn't!

If the zone had gone dark several times in the history of the city, my take is that hardly anyone would have been living there at the time of the Rikti invasion.

The only possibility is if Astoria was completely inhabited in 2002 by graduates of Buffy's high school. (Why on God's Green Earth anyone other than Buffy would ever return to a school that had regular vampire sightings and attacks is beyond me. ) So if the zone is populated solely with Buffy Alumni, then I guess multiple darknesses are possible. Otherwise, it is just too contrary to human nature for me.


"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"

"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."

 

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So if the zone is populated solely with Buffy Alumni, then I guess multiple darknesses are possible. Otherwise, it is just too contrary to human nature for me.
Just imagine a realtor trying to put a positive spin while selling those condos....


 

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One of my own heroes was born and raised in Astoria. He went out of town on business and returned to find Astoria as it is and everyone he cared for gone. He has vowed to again lift the darkness in Astoria.
Heh, what a coincidence. That's almost the same as the story behind my main villain.


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One of my own heroes was born and raised in Astoria. He went out of town on business and returned to find Astoria as it is and everyone he cared for gone. He has vowed to again lift the darkness in Astoria.
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Heh, what a coincidence. That's almost the same as the story behind my main villain.
Wow, do you suppose they were at the same convention??


"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"

"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."

 

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Just imagine a realtor trying to put a positive spin while selling those condos....
... and Mr. Arcanum scores an LOL from three point territory.


"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"

"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."

 

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I would have difficulty with anything other than "Astoria Goes Dark, Heroes Restore It, 50 Years Later Rikti Invade, Restored Astoria Goes Dark Again."

After one bout of Darkness that the heroes dispel, folks might venture back if they had ties to the area and it had not been dark TOO long. After a decade or two of peace, the Darkness would be viewed as a one-time run of bad luck, like a natural disaster, and there would be no impediment to living there with it gone. Consider that in our present state of affairs in DA, even once the Darkness is dispelled again, very few folks will likely ever venture back to a place that went dark, came out, then went dark again and featured a festive massacre of the inhabitants. I know I wouldn't!

If the zone had gone dark several times in the history of the city, my take is that hardly anyone would have been living there at the time of the Rikti invasion.

The only possibility is if Astoria was completely inhabited in 2002 by graduates of Buffy's high school. (Why on God's Green Earth anyone other than Buffy would ever return to a school that had regular vampire sightings and attacks is beyond me. ) So if the zone is populated solely with Buffy Alumni, then I guess multiple darknesses are possible. Otherwise, it is just too contrary to human nature for me.
Only if they have a choice.
It could also be that the power of Mot is so vast that even in his sleep (dreams?) he can bring worshipers/victims to settle in His shadow. Without them even knowing it.
As shown by the badges, some parts of Astoria were always somewhat haunted. I could well imagine people there always being a little more grim, their health a little weaker. But they just cannot leave.


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Only if they have a choice.
It could also be that the power of Mot is so vast that even in his sleep (dreams?) he can bring worshipers/victims to settle in His shadow. Without them even knowing it.
As shown by the badges, some parts of Astoria were always somewhat haunted. I could well imagine people there always being a little more grim, their health a little weaker. But they just cannot leave.
Dark Astoria as the Hotel California of Paragon City. I like it.

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Two of our SG characters have interesting takes on DA in their storylines. One SG member 'died' there, and because his blood was spilled in this nexus of dark energy, a fragment of his soul revived itself and is now a tainted version of the original.

Another member, who is now not only an Incarnate but carries a permanent link to the Netherworld inside her, tends to hang out in Dark Astoria because it 'feels like home.'

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Way back when, during my casting calls for Issue 11, I asked something like 50 different heroes, "If you could be remembered for one heroic deed, which would it be?" Their choices were: "Defeat Recluse", "Stop the Outbreak Plague", "Stop the Rikti Invasion", or "Reclaim Dark Astoria".

Every single one of them picked "Reclaim Dark Astoria."

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