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That's essentially what my Inv/SS tank is. Defense cap with a nod towards recharge.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
Hey all.
Working on my INV/DM Tank and I'm trying to decide which direction to take his build. The most popular route is of course soft capping his S/L and E/N defense with 1-2 critters in Invinc, but I was wondering if a +recharge build would be just as effective. The plan with +recharge would be to get Dull Pain and Hasten as close to perma as possible without gimping the build. Running around at ~3400 HP seems very appealing. I'm not asking anyone to post a build, but I would like some discussion about the two difference routes and which one people feel is more survivable for tanking. What about a combo of +def and +rech? Would that be effective? Thanks! |
I'd suggest building, power and IO-choice-wise for */endurance rather than */recharge to offset the endurance burden. Things like Conserve Power and Physical Perfection will help enormously too.
Then drop a Spiritual in and go to town.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
That's essentially what my Inv/SS tank is. Defense cap with a nod towards recharge.
I'd suggest building, power and IO-choice-wise for */endurance rather than */recharge to offset the endurance burden. Things like Conserve Power and Physical Perfection will help enormously too. Then drop a Spiritual in and go to town. |
When slotting Invinc, do you go for the HO (or SHO) that provides +Def, +tohit and End Red (forget the name, enzyme perhaps)? Or do you focus on IO Sets?
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That actually the Ribosome and its very expensive...
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Originally Posted by Clouded
While I have your attention...
When slotting Invinc, do you go for the HO (or SHO) that provides +Def, +tohit and End Red (forget the name, enzyme perhaps)? Or do you focus on IO Sets? |
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However, it's probably the best thing to put in Invinc, just because it helps with every property of the power, then you can fill the other slots with procs and other effects.
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That actually the Ribosome and its very expensive...
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For defense, most of the time I just plonk common defense IOs, rather than set pieces in there. The first two slots give the best return that way. Because I'm deliberately baking 40-ish% EndRed into most of my attacks, I'm not really that worried about the low endurance costs of my toggles.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
While I have your attention...
When slotting Invinc, do you go for the HO (or SHO) that provides +Def, +tohit and End Red (forget the name, enzyme perhaps)? Or do you focus on IO Sets? |
However, if Enzymes are available, I'm not above abusing the HO/SHO Buff/Debuff loophole to cap out defense and gain a little extra endurance reduction, giving me room to attack like a rabbit on crack.
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I'm pretty sure you can get both soft-capped S/L+E/N and perma-Dull Pain. It just depends on how much you're willing to spend. I wouldn't be surprised if it took purple sets to get that much recharge. The Spiritual Alpha would make it much easier, and boost your healing from Siphon Life.
I'm sure you can find a build that achieves both the soft cap and high recharge you are looking for if you search. Find one and we can help you modify it to suit your needs, even if it isn't Dark Melee.
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Cytoplasm = def buff (20%) / end / tohit buff|
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Enzyme = def debuff (33%) / end
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But Luck of the Gambler provides 10% Regen and a health bonus.
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However, it's probably the best thing to put in Invinc, just because it helps with every property of the power, then you can fill the other slots with procs and other effects.
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Well, from the thread title, my first thought was that recharge is golden *IF* you're talking about a set that really benefits from it. Dark Armor, for example, has the biggest self-heal in the game. With invuln, you get decent defense starting off. Building on that will really help. Soft-capping shouldn't be too hard, then you can look at recharge.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
Working on my INV/DM Tank and I'm trying to decide which direction to take his build. The most popular route is of course soft capping his S/L and E/N defense with 1-2 critters in Invinc, but I was wondering if a +recharge build would be just as effective.
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When slotting Invinc, do you go for the HO (or SHO) that provides +Def, +tohit and End Red (forget the name, enzyme perhaps)? Or do you focus on IO Sets?
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Well, here is the build I've been working on. It caps def to S/L but E/N is at 42% (capped with 3 foes in range of invinc), 284% regen, DP is perma while hasten active (hasten has a 12s downtine) and endurance doesn't seem like it will be an issue at first glance.
Now, I realize this build is going to be expensive and time consuming but that's all part of the fun. Not to mention that I have a fair amount of these IOs stock piled already.
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Dark Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
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Level 1: Resist Physical Damage RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Shadow Punch KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: Dull Pain Dct'dW-Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 4: Shadow Maul Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(15), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Armgdn-Dmg(17)
Level 6: Temp Invulnerability RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(19), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(19), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 8: Unyielding RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(21), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(23), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 10: Taunt Zinger-Taunt(A), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(25), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(25), Zinger-Acc/Rchg(27), Zinger-Taunt/Rng(27), Zinger-Dam%(29)
Level 12: Combat Jumping LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 14: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 16: Siphon Life Theft-+End%(A), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(29), Nictus-Heal(31), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Nictus-Acc/Heal(31), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(33)
Level 18: Invincibility HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(34), HO:Cyto(34)
Level 20: Super Jump Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(45)
Level 22: Boxing Acc-I(A)
Level 24: Tough S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-ResDam(34), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(36), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 26: Tough Hide LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(36)
Level 28: Soul Drain Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(37), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(39)
Level 30: Resist Elements RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(39), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 32: Resist Energies RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(40), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(40), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 35: Weave RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(42), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(42), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFtn-EndRdx(46), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 38: Midnight Grasp KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 41: Conserve Power Empty(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(48), EndMod-I(48)
Level 47: Unstoppable RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Super Speed EndRdx-I(A)
Level 50: Spiritual Radial Boost
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Task Force Commander
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift Empty(A)
Level 2: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(48), Mrcl-Rcvry+(50)
Level 2: Hurdle Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(50), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(50)
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Well, here is the build I've been working on. It caps def to S/L but E/N is at 42% (capped with 3 foes in range of invinc), 284% regen, DP is perma while hasten active (hasten has a 12s downtine) and endurance doesn't seem like it will be an issue at first glance.
Now, I realize this build is going to be expensive and time consuming but that's all part of the fun. Not to mention that I have a fair amount of these IOs stock piled already. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1418;688;1376;HEX;| |78DA65935B4F135110C7CFB65B81D252A0376E055A8442C1B 50D98784B7C104C305| |48BA86F862C702C2BCD52B7D5C89B9FC1077DF4DD8FE35DFC 062AEA9351425C67E7| |7FA8D56DBAFD4D67FEE7CCCC39B3E5478B11211E5F125AE47 2CD6C34D66F9AF68E7| |44265B36A6D8A0E21C4283CEB8BF2AEB41BD258B61F3EA8D9 D23137AC9AD5DC4BAB| |7059D6A434164D670766DFB2BD2D1D69378D632352D9DDAD1 92BD2AC5B7635CC7FD| |6EA526E45D9BC6255B79B14881DABB6A4D3D8B6EAF1A5BAB5 692C51C2EADE7AD96C| |34A5B337406515E879D9453F1A3DC20D8A1C1979111805C61 87A96F1C3D3F1C7D54| |5859013FA2AE3C40D608DD1798F5012AF49AE61DB9056D13C 57E73546B80CAC3022| |D781595EF59356055592E08580E7EA390F9C63F45E04CE325 E913CA46A0FA1F67ED| |4DE8FDA13A8FD2DE93A94AE03BA047429E852D0FD221DDA74 435D36A718D805EA8C| |A1FB80C31869305274C3DDD85DEB4E703BA7928C1C45A2880 4A2E870FC1F1C52B69| |83AA5583F759E1123A9A017198D036920C9184F30DED3AA3E 3E5C37D07786A00745| |F63FA629751CAD68F17DAE73EE2343A3481211911CE23282E 44AABF3497B4646641| |7B883892230CFF840890755A783E874029D1E516498C7C8D5 873F05BC1D4E7E06BE| |00078CA923AEE10DC9332A61061732850B99C285E47121EF4 837A67463D0E5A1CB4| |337039D4E0DE4D439E67AB8A29930D0CD2844712F3120C2AB 7ED3EE936ADA2631D2| |058C7401233D87919EC3483FA7C39F560737EDD247BC880A3 1ABEE77F6166F7D7A1| |518E725FB94C1504B0C5CF904955A54AE62965D237AEBD5A2 AFB7F18CDE7A29DD82| |2F5AF4794A3ECFBCCFB3E0F3ACF83C155DA5258FC69EAEDED 61BE91E845BEFB48A7| |EFBEB0968B7D139CEA174958FF8AB6FC9F7F6254F781A4ACF 80A78C551ADB92EAFD| |4ED81B35D895367BA3CD36DBEC3FC293ECC6| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |
Think about replacing the Zinger set with Mocking Beratement.
Your S/L defense will come down about 0.6%, but you'll still be above cap, plus you'll gain back 3.125% F/C. If you six-slot MB, you'll get another 2.5% recharge (losing the 5% from PZ, gaining 7.5% from MB). Or keep the Zinger in there to turn it into another weapon.
Given unlimited funds, I'd look at something like this:
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One other thing you might want to think about.
If you're going to be at it long enough and build up A-merits, get yourself the PVP Teleport/3% defense IO.
You could then do something like this:
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I've tried a lot of different builds on my Inv/SS and I found the +Recharge build the most fun. Throwing out tons of Footstomps and KO Blows is great. I'm not sure how that would translate to Dark Melee though.
It would actually translate fairly well. In my experiences, you tend to actually -need- less attacks from Dark Melee than you would in Super Strength. Perhaps the Dark Melee attacks seem more limited for a Tanker, and that's why I only took a certain few; but with the right amount of recharge, you have one of the best attack chains available to Tankers.
Shadow Punch, Soul Drain, Shadow Punch, Smite, Siphon Life.. It's a beautiful world. Personally, I've managed for a while on an Elec Armor/Dark Melee tank with just those attacks and Taunt, factoring in hasten. Again with enough global recharge, even Soul Drain seems less of a burden. If you have the influence, you can four slot some attacks with Kinetic Combat, consider slotting up a few Titanium Coating, and Luck of the Gambler; you achieve both goals. If not, you can at -least- ballpark your expectations.
Hey all.
Working on my INV/DM Tank and I'm trying to decide which direction to take his build. The most popular route is of course soft capping his S/L and E/N defense with 1-2 critters in Invinc, but I was wondering if a +recharge build would be just as effective.
The plan with +recharge would be to get Dull Pain and Hasten as close to perma as possible without gimping the build. Running around at ~3400 HP seems very appealing.
I'm not asking anyone to post a build, but I would like some discussion about the two difference routes and which one people feel is more survivable for tanking.
What about a combo of +def and +rech? Would that be effective?
Thanks!