I don't remember the formula offhand, but you can calculate how much recharge Hasten will give you on average between uptime and downtime.
For example: It was proven that you only need 55% global recharge and ED capped Dull Pain and Hasten to have perma dull pain. That conclusion was reached by taking into account how much recharge Hasten provides when you average out uptime versus downtime.
Like I said, I don't know the exact formula to figure it out, but it is definitely possible to have perma Domination without having perma hasten.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
You actually only need about 78ish percent recharge with hasten 3 slotted for perma dom if that helps ya. I shoot for 80 for lag or anything like that.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
You actually only need about 78ish percent recharge with hasten 3 slotted for perma dom if that helps ya. I shoot for 80 for lag or anything like that.
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Now I am saddened by the millions I just spent, but hey, it's only Inf, i'll make more.
I thought once I hit about 80 was when it happened.
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You only need 80% total recharge from global buffs, hasten or any other powers copmbined to get permadom?|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
You actually only need about 78ish percent recharge with hasten 3 slotted for perma dom if that helps ya. I shoot for 80 for lag or anything like that.
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I asked this question on a diff forum thread and I was told that its 125%
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I believe what claws is saying is you need 78% global recharge (or perhaps a little more to account for lag) as well as hasten 3 slotted for recharge so that hasten will be up enough so that your recharge will average out high enough for perma-hasten.|
Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
You only need 80% total recharge from global buffs, hasten or any other powers copmbined to get permadom?
I asked this question on a diff forum thread and I was told that its 125% |
Which is good to know, since that sounds much simpler to achieve than the 125+ global recharge I also thought I'd need.
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Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
That...was a Herocon 09 exclusive easter egg. The powerset will not have doves associated with it.
Namely because you guys would want to color tint the damn doves, or make them hawks/ravens/flying sharks/etc and that's just a headache I do...not...want...to deal with. |
i usually just aim for mass amounts of global rech as on most of my doms i prefer to have perma dom without hasten but still have hasten for more rech (to get powers up faster and in cases where the baddies have slows)
most of my doms usually get between 130 and 140% rech before adding in hasten making the with hasten amount 200% or higher
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No, you need 80% global PLUS 3 slotted Hasten to achieve perma-Domination. |
Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
You only need 80% total recharge from global buffs, hasten or any other powers copmbined to get permadom?
I asked this question on a diff forum thread and I was told that its 125% |
Thanks for the number, Lucky666. I knew what I was talking about, I just didn't have any of the numbers handy.
The way it works is like this:
80% global recharge is self explanatory. Now, you need 125% recharge to have permadom. 80% + 70% (from Hasten) = 150%. Now, that isn't enough to make Hasten perma, but it makes Hasten recharge fast enough that you still end up over the 125% threshold you need to have perma Domination.
Basically, since Hasten isn't perma, you lose some of the recharge when it's down, which in this case will put you at around 125% total.
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This makes so much sense to me. My build currently sits at 75% + Hasten and I am almost always Dom. I only lose it every three missions or so. I have no purples slotted, so if I ever get the desire (and extra influence) I can make up that extra 5% in order to get it working better. Thank you all for the information, very handy.
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You really only need 70% global recharge with 3 slotted Hasten. However, if you don't use Hasten and Domination as soon as they're recharged, it's likely you'll lose Domination.
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What is the easiest way to get purples to drop ? My feeling about slotting to max something means that I have to sacrafice some powers in favor of powers that can be used for set bonuses and useless slots to get those bonuses.
My earth/Ice/Ice can do some serious carnage just by IO slotting and setting up stuff but it isnt soft capped or anything. I just dont feel like giving up powers that can be fun for survivability
(Excuse the spelling, I'm at work)
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Fighting any non-AE enemy that will drop level 50 recipes will give you the chance for a purple recipe. High level TFs are one way (say, an ITF). When hunting for purples I pull up one of my favorite maps (or grab some repeatable missions from the RWZ or scanner), set myself to +0/x8 on one of my 50s and go to town.
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i know people will say 'you can farm them' but its really just how fast can you clear lvl 50 enemies (non-AE). the drop rate is so low you could potentially farm for days and not get a drop. more consistent would be farming hero/villain tip missions and get alignment merits to get lotg procs and other valuable IOs sell the crafted version for 100-150 mill and buy what you need. or wait for 20 alignment merits, but that will take weeks.|
Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
What is the easiest way to get purples to drop ? My feeling about slotting to max something means that I have to sacrafice some powers in favor of powers that can be used for set bonuses and useless slots to get those bonuses.
My earth/Ice/Ice can do some serious carnage just by IO slotting and setting up stuff but it isnt soft capped or anything. I just dont feel like giving up powers that can be fun for survivability (Excuse the spelling, I'm at work) |
my ice/fire/fire just got 68% global rech with hasten 3 slotted and *just* hit perma dom. no purples. i still have another lotg to go plus at least 3 more non-purple sets for more rech.
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This. IMO, if you want to build up bonuses for other things (say Defense) just build up your recharge to 85%, 3 slot hasten, and call it a day. Once you achieve the minimum for permadom, any additional +recharge is great for a buffer so you don't have to watch your powers' recharging like a hawk. When building up for permadom, once I reached 85% I noticed I had more leeway in keeping up with clicking hasten/dom to maintain permadom.|
Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
You really only need 70% global recharge with 3 slotted Hasten. However, if you don't use Hasten and Domination as soon as they're recharged, it's likely you'll lose Domination.
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The 125% recharge mentioned in other posts is in order to achieve permadom WITHOUT hasten (though Hasten also becomes Perma 3 slotted). On my Mind/Psi I've got a total of 190% (bonuses + hasten). This let's me triple stack domination, which isn't really necessary, so I just keep Hasten on auto and click Dom as needed so I can focus on other things.
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The Usual Suspects: Fimboolvetr (Icer Tank), Tsukiyomi (Mind/Psi/Ice Dom), Smiting Dragon (Dm/Sr Scrap), Widow Mortis (NW)
Up and Comers: Ameterasu (Km/Reg Scrap), Arrhymian (Elec/Nin Stalk), TDMKII (Bot/Traps MM)
Now I'm curious how much global recharge you need with 3 slottted hasten and each level of the spiritual tree.
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since spiritual tree does not affect domination it would only affect hasten, at best you would be able to get hasten to 130% rech enhance so you could prolly shave around 10-20% off your total global rech to just barely maintain domination|
Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Now I'm curious how much global recharge you need with 3 slottted hasten and each level of the spiritual tree.
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i still prefer getting ~130% global rech so i dont even have to rely on hasten, just hit frenzy when i log in, pop domination and have domination on auto and your set, you can still add in hasten for extra rech, but you wont need to be constantly paying attention to it in order to maintain perma dom
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Well, looking at mids for my new planned dom build, at 85% global recharge, 3 slotted hasten, and spiritual core paragon hasten recharges in 116.48 seconds, and radial paragon gets it down to 119.13. In each case dom recharges in 78.43 seconds, so I'd guess could drop 5-10% recharge and still remain perma-dom with the paragons.
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Now I'm curious how much global recharge you need with 3 slottted hasten and each level of the spiritual tree.
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Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
That...was a Herocon 09 exclusive easter egg. The powerset will not have doves associated with it.
Namely because you guys would want to color tint the damn doves, or make them hawks/ravens/flying sharks/etc and that's just a headache I do...not...want...to deal with. |
I'm running Spiritual Radial Paragon. With my 190% recharge, Hasten recharges in 109s. This leads to glorious stacking of Hasten. Before anyone says that this is impossible it very much is if Hasten is up, you zone, and use Hasten again. It's not significant, but watching your recharge bonus in Combat Attributes skyrocket to 260% for ~10s is pretty awesome. However, using Rikti Guardians to have capped defense, recharge, recovery, and damage in RWZ is so much sweeter. lol
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The Usual Suspects: Fimboolvetr (Icer Tank), Tsukiyomi (Mind/Psi/Ice Dom), Smiting Dragon (Dm/Sr Scrap), Widow Mortis (NW)
Up and Comers: Ameterasu (Km/Reg Scrap), Arrhymian (Elec/Nin Stalk), TDMKII (Bot/Traps MM)
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I mentioned I was curious because I don't know the hasten up/down math to figure out spiritual's effect on hasten's 'average recharge' myself. I already knew dom wasn't affected.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
since spiritual tree does not affect domination it would only affect hasten, at best you would be able to get hasten to 130% rech enhance so you could prolly shave around 10-20% off your total global rech to just barely maintain domination
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my magic number For Doms is 182.5% with Hasten up gives you triple Perma Dom plus perma Hasten. makes Doms very nice.
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I have a Mind/Electric Dom that is swiftly becoming my favorite character I have ever played.
Right now, my global recharge is about 95.
It seems, between that and hasten, once I get started, I can maintain perma-dom, since when hasten is up, I am at about 165, it seems to give me the 'average' of the 125-ish needed for perma.
Yet from what I read, I did not think this was going to be possible unless I got 125 w/o hasten or to 105 to make hasten perma, thus pushing me over the 125 all the time.
If I can get perma that way I have, then, of course, that leaves more slots for defense which would rock.
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