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Because this thread has been filling up with mindless banter that would be better suited for the "have fun here" thread. I'm glad you and Grey have aired out your problems. The only thing is there are no real solutions when like minded people get together.
And while you may say "well why don't you contribute" I say, because i don't care. Your morals are not my morals and vice versa. Just like maybe your problems with teaming is not my problem. I have people to team with and its not something i'm worried about. So again, could we let this thread die please. |
I have an opinion.
I don't have problems with the way Protector is and acts as a community of players. If I did, I'd play on any number of other servers where I've been invited. I like it here, for various reasons.
If someone pointed you to this and you thought I was complaining, keep walking. They were wrong. Some people are ignorant selfish turds. Others are altruistic generous folks. That's true all over.
Kudos on having regular people to team with, but I fail to see how your opinion is higher in value than someone else's only because you have that.
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... We, for example, will never be buddies, but I team with you when the need arises. I know for a fact that's not the only case where two or more people who do not 'get along' can tolerate eachother's company long enough to achieve a common goal. Then, after total victory, they move on fondly gazing at their new shiney.
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And here we go: this is a summary of my opinion.
There has been complaining in this thread, yes. There has also been exchanges of opinions.
Like I said before (and proof that some are not reading the posts in full):
OF COURSE some issues will never be resolved. Things have gone off the cliff in some cases.
Despite it all, some will go an extra mile to be a better person. Some will refuse to do so, by pride, self-preserving avoidance, or outright bitterness. It happens. So what. We're human.
We go on.
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And seriously, those of you who are in here to disparage the feelings and opinions of others please accept my heartfelt
WTH?!
You're using a rare visit to the forums to belittle others?
What?
This was intended as an exchange of ideas and opinions about Protector.
Some chose to express their feelings about specific issues. Perhaps that was a little edgy. A little too personal.
Maybe nothing changed by voicing these concerns. Again, it happens.
But who the hell gave you the impression that you held final say in what is important for others? Who said you were allowed to state how you felt (like, say, about a mis-perception of what the intent of this thread was) while others should keep silent?
The things you don't care about could have dire importance for someone else. Extend to others the same basic courtesy you expect, for [censored]'s sake, or ignore it if you can't be grown up enough to do it.
See?
This is an exchange of opinions and ideas too, just there.
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The things you don't care about could have dire importance for someone else. Extend to others the same basic courtesy you expect, for [censored]'s sake, or ignore it if you can't be grown up enough to do it.
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Please let this go.
I don't see what the problem is.
This is not the best way to sort out differences.
And one, I agree, I don't like it either.
I spoke up, asking to let this thread die a swift and quiet death, for you, Stale. Yup, that's right. Time and again, over the years we've known eachother, you and your posts have come under fire from some rather nasty personal attacks. So, I hoped to kill this off quickly.
Now, personal attacks are flying all over the place, joy. You asked for other people's input, you got it. One voice, Grey, agreed with your general view. Others, there are several, have voiced opinions ranging from "Gee, I don't see what the fuss is about" to "We don't need this, again".
This thread, its drama, and the two protagonists in it have been the topic of discusion on global channels ingame. There, names can be called out, specific wrongs identified, and errors in judgement apologized for. (Yes, I know my grammar is horrible, but I'm on a roll so let me be) Out here, Grey can't call out those who've disappointed him. Out here Elric can't fully express the depth of his distain, and that old soul runs deep. Out here, Frosty's legendary rants are limited to Rated PG-13, which just robs them of so much power. Out here, I cannot plainly and frankly express the grinding frustration at watching well-minded, educated people walk right into the same hole, again.
You asked for other people's input, and you got it. Whether you agree with them or not, has no reflection on their maturity or lack of it.
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If you mean me, quote me. Don't use the generic 'you.' That's part of the problem, right there. A thread starts about needing a love-in when nobody knows who's mad at who or about what. Half of this would be solved if the people who think other people have problems would just straight up ask them and be done with it. Instead we get, "Maybe some people should come in here and air it out." I've never had a problem with you, Stale, let's keep it that way.|
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Alright, you know what? I'm gonna let this go.
You all have a good one.
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People with different opinions, different view points, different ideals, all posting in the same thread.
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(For the record, I'm fairly indifferent to all of this, although, I think I can empathize with everyone's views. And I don't mean my posts to belittle anyone; I just saw the content of a particular post--not of the thread in general--and decided to add a silly comment. I'm here to have fun and/or retreat from the regularly occuring frustrations of my days and nights. Others are here for other reasons and--other than griefers, who go out of their way to frustrate other people's game play--I'll let them be.
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Oh, an additional thing I forgot to put earlier (sure me, I've been under a lot of stress lately):
Protectorites have a weird sense of timing. Anyone else noticed this? Every time I'm online PuGging it because my sleep schedule's effed up, and I decide I'm ready to log off, someone starts a TF. It's like they're psychic. They KNOW. O.o
The drama's part of Protector too. It's just a part I choose to ignore. 
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Witchfrost: Apologies are in order. I had a line in my post that specifically mentioned that I welcomed opinions different then my own, while retaining the prerogative to completely disagree with them. I must have deleted it when I edited it to be less hostile. As for you not being able to see that a MMO involves human interaction, and therefore requires the usual human decency when it comes to social behavior, I can't help you there.
Ice_9: I hate it when we take the time to carefully construct written responses, and miserably fail to get our point across. My whole point was also "Gee, I don't see what the fuss is about" when this started. It's my personal opinion that despite it all, we do manage to go on - even when some things remain broken. That's why I couldn't understand why there was opposition to this thread. It was supposed to be realistic and positive.
Rasta: You're entirely right. But as I said: this was never intended to become a flamewar. It was intended to discuss how we, as Protectorites, see our server. It failed at that.
Grey: I should follow your lead here.
Protector: My sincere apologies for fueling the fire. That was not my intention at all when I started this, but fuel it I did with my last post. I'm tired, and I'm cranky, and for these last 7 years I've been doing my utmost to remain civil with others as much as I could. But here I just lost it.
Those of you who have dealt with me in the past have no idea how I keep fighting with my own inner demons. But I do try to be honest and transparent in my dealings with others, and I try to remain civil. I'm not a "nice guy" at heart, despite appearances to the contrary.
I wish I could say it won't happen again, but I know that some behaviors and manners (or lack thereof) will always cause outrage with me.
I'll see you around, or not.
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Protectorites have a weird sense of timing. Anyone else noticed this? Every time I'm online PuGging it because my sleep schedule's effed up, and I decide I'm ready to log off, someone starts a TF. It's like they're psychic. They KNOW. O.o
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Plus, it's really hard to be a drama queen when people tell you it makes you look like an ****.
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Oh, an additional thing I forgot to put earlier (sure me, I've been under a lot of stress lately):
Protectorites have a weird sense of timing. Anyone else noticed this? Every time I'm online PuGging it because my sleep schedule's effed up, and I decide I'm ready to log off, someone starts a TF. It's like they're psychic. They KNOW. O.o The drama's part of Protector too. It's just a part I choose to ignore. |
What I find particularly odd is how you try to scrounge up enough people to run with you for whatever activity you're considering, and it's harder to complete than the actual activity.
Of course, as soon as you manage to get everyone you need for said activity, within 30 minutes 2 other teams are announced for this exact same thing.
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So what you're saying is, I should warn you when I'm about to log off, and then people will want to join you. :P
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Try telling me that when I've been trying for a couple months to get a decent team going for an RSF. It's so bad I've got Kidengineer teasing me about starting one of his speed runs now.
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Try telling me that when I've been trying for a couple months to get a decent team going for an RSF. It's so bad I've got Kidengineer teasing me about starting one of his speed runs now.
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Make it a Master run and I'm there.
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I went back and re-read the OP, gleaning from it the core point of "focus on community over individual wants/needs/etc". Underlying to that is an invitation to share our thoughts, okay. Here we go...
Every community effort I have witnessed and/or participated in has ultimately left its supporters frustrated and/or disappointed.
Why?
1. No one can please everyone, leading to friction, leading to conflict, leading to us vs. them attitudes taking hold, leading to bickering and ultimately the collapse of the effort entirely. Global channels die and others are born of such events.
2. Player apathy or disinterest, leading to lackluster turn out/participation in events, leading to increased disinterest in creating said events, leading to lackluster... I think you see where this is going. SG Coalitions die from reinforcing loops like this.
I, like so many players, have only so much time I can play and that is further limited by the specific times those hours open up for me. I enjoy a rather robust allowance of time being able to play at least some just about every day. Others, several of my friends, have significantly less 'free time'.
With that in mind, when I can play, I want to have fun, laugh, and really rock the rules by which the system operates. I do not want to tolerate the drivel of people who I do not like. I do not want to explain game fundamentals to players with 40, 50, 70 months ingame. I do not want put up with asshattery - nope, it's not a word, but it's more polite than what I'm really thinking.
Protector's community is strong, helpful, and fun. I said before, you are general treated the way you act. There is a long list of players who will happily make room for someone who needs help. They will go out of their way to make themselves available for this task or that. Scores of people stand ready to pass on knowledge, answer a question, or help conquer a particularly tough mission.
For anyone seeking help, a team, or someone to chat with try any of the above mentioned global channels, local, request, or even broadcast channels. If you don't get what you need, try again later or in another zone. If you get angst and venom thrown back at you, maybe you could consider your own previous behavior. Sometimes people are snarly for no real reason, but that's not all that often.
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Try telling me that when I've been trying for a couple months to get a decent team going for an RSF. It's so bad I've got Kidengineer teasing me about starting one of his speed runs now.
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If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
pssst.... hey, kid....
....there's a little... ya, right there on your shoe. A little bit of drama. You're tracking it on the carpet.
Without endorsing or criticizing anyone's opinion or the way they've expressed them, I want to say this:
We have these little drama bombs two or three times a year. This one was relatively mild and painless. I think we all tend to "remember" the glory days when we all loved each other and we sat around the campfire and held hands and sang kumbaya together....
...but, of course, those days never really existed. We've always been the little server that could..... have drama.
Any of us who have been around for awhile remember the "Sherriff of Nottingham and the Princess" debacle, not to mention the police action that earned us the "Have fun here," thread. Then there was the all out PvP vs PvE world war I and II... and there's others, some I'm not mentioning on purpose, some I'm sure have slipped my mind.
Back in the day, I would leap headfirst into these dramas. Here lately, I'm less inclined to jump into the middle of it. Why? There will be some anger, some tears, some hurt feelings, hopefully a few things will get resolved, probably a few new traumas will be nurtured until the next drama bomb.... but in the end it will eventually wash away and things will settle back down.
Things will NEVER be the way they used to be a year ago, three years ago, or five years ago. Because we aren't the same. People have left, and new people have arrived. The game itself has changed, people have changed. People who were in school are now working, people who were single are now married with kids. We are not the same... and it is naive to think we can go back.
And another thing to remember, we're not all here for the same reason. Some people are here specifically to form connections. Others are here to just get a distraction from their lives. Some are here for a challenge, some are here for relaxation. Our goals may or may not be the same, but we all still have feelings, hopes, fears, and a real life outside of game... some may have a rich and full life and don't 't require a computer game to give us meaning, or we may have a sad and lonely life and our connection with others online is all we've got.
If everyone can just remember that there is another human being on the other side of those words on your computer screen.... another human being who is here playing a game. Treat each other with respect, even if your goals and priorities are not the same, consider privately discussing things before they become a big problem, and just enjoy the game and our strange little family on Protector.
.... and that's all I have to say about that.
I'd like to defend my comments if I may and make a few more.
I like this server. It was not my first, but I found friends and family here when I needed it. I am usually quite, but those that know me, know that I play seriously, but never too much to "blur the lines"
I like about 98% of everyone on here and have had in the 7 years I've been here I only been shocked and outraged once. Sure there are a few in server that I cannot stand. I'm sure some of you feel the same about me. The thing is, and any family, community, we all eventually rub someone the wrong way; what makes us better as people is we learn to live with each other. I'm not planning on going anywhere, and we need each other for the upcoming issues raids/trials, and that is one thing this server does; IMO; better than any other server.
And I still stand by my opinion that is Protector was a taco, I would eat it.
And on the relatively good notes of the last few posts, I am closing this thread.
Since you're a creative person that I respect, I find that exceptionally disheartening and depressing. I've asked previously to use characters of yours in my writing in an attempt to connect characters with the gameworld, but the apparent schism between us has left me discouraged from further attempts. Maybe I'm tired of a problem caused by a disagreement and a misunderstanding, and the only way I could be sure the message could get out was through a public forum.
As for how to deal with these situations without airing them in public, you COULD see that the person is basically saying that they're ready and willing to discuss the issue, wants to bury whatever metaphorical hatchets remain, and take it to PMs.
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