Honestly, I think the current system is fine. It was designed with two top tier enhancements to give a choice beyond "which tree do you want". As it currently stands you make a decision about which tree to use and then make a further choice as tho whether you want a larger primary bonus or additional tertiary bonuses. Adding a 5th tier feels like a case of wanting to have everything.
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I think the best way I can sum this up is; No. It's fine and balanced as it is. Anymore just....
No.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Basically, you just want to be even stronger.
You also have to keep in mind the very rares now ignore 2/3 of ED.
So you want the final to ignore ED completely? In that case, too overpowered.
Just wait for the next incarnate slots to open up like everyone else.
Characters!:
Pinny - Scrapper
Shadewing - Defender
@Pinny
No thanks, that's ridiculously powerful and completely unnecessary.
And the trees look pretty normal to me.
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
The tier 5 could simply be both tier 4s combined. Not so over the top then, and damned expensive to make in the long run!
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The tier 5 could simply be both tier 4s combined. Not so over the top then, and damned expensive to make in the long run!
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It's fine as it is. /Unsigned
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Isn't there also one Omega slot at the top?
If so, it's balanced.
My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City
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Isn't there also one Omega slot at the top?
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Atm it goes;
1 Common
2 Uncommons
4 Rares
2 Very Rares
**1 Uber Rare**
The ** shows the one that the OP wants, a more rare than V.Rare slot that has everything. Which is just plain broken.
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Oh. Reading comprehension fail.
Therefore, no. That's just stupid (and "imba", to use language the OP may prefer).
My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City
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Originally Posted by Pinny
Basically, you just want to be even stronger.
You also have to keep in mind the very rares now ignore 2/3 of ED. So you want the final to ignore ED completely? In that case, too overpowered. Just wait for the next incarnate slots to open up like everyone else. |
That said, I don't much care for this idea. Right now, people can stop at Rare, going to Ultra rare provides a nice little bonus, but nothing to get terribly excited about. My tank, for example, has cardiac. Going from the 33/20/20 to the 45/20/20 (because he has no intangibility, fear, or sleep powers) provides about .6% more resistance. Even a Stone tank in Granite form only gets 1.6% more resistance from going from Rare to Ultra-rare.
But your suggestion is so grossly overpowered... going from a 13.33% resist bonus at ultra-rare to a 25% resist bonus at Mega-ultra-rare. That's just the percentage ignoring ED.
It currently takes 4 Notices of the Well to get an Ultra Rare, double that to get two Ultra Rares, and then assume that it takes two Favors of the Well to make the Embrace of the Well you need to craft the Mega-Ultra Rare. That's 12 Notices of the Well and somewhere around three months time.
Given how long it takes to get a tier four, if someone is willing to invest the effort to do it all over again for a tier five then I say so what? Let them! I don't see how it can hurt anyone by allowing it to happen. Getting one 45% (Instead of 33%) and all the other benefits together from both tier fours seems to be fair given the effort involved. And it's not like very many will bother. It seems that very few of my friends are going to bother going past tier three as it is. If someone else wants to, thats ok with me!
The incarnate system has given me a reason to play my 50s again, and I am enjoying it a lot. I am glad it is there and I look forward to the other slots!
You all assumed I wanted to do away with ED. I just did not bother to add that to the list.
Yes it would be way expensive, but again the point of Incarnates is to feel extremely powerful, by allowing us to fully build an entire Alpha Slot and receive all bonuses would do that.
Am I the only one the believes that we need one more alpha slot to make the tree look normal?
I would like to see the ability for us to be able to combine both Core and Radial into one final Alpha slot. In order to do this all the slots would have to have the following created: Common, Both Uncommon, All Four Rare, Both Very Rare
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Cardiac:
For all powers: Reduces Endurance cost by 50%, increases Range and Damage Resistance effects by 30%, Fear, Sleep and Intangibility Duration by 40%
Muculature:
For all powers: Increases Damage by 50%, Immobilization Duration and Defense Debuff effects by 40%, Endurance Modification, and Run Speed effects by 40%, and To Hit Debuff effects by 30%.
Nerve:
For all powers: Increases Accuracy and Hold Duration by 40% and Defense Buff effects by 30%, Taunt effects, Confuse Duration, and Fly Speed effects by 40%.
Spiritual:
For all powers: Increases Recharge Rate by 50%, Stun Duration, Slow Movement, Healing and Jump effects by 40%, and To Hit Buff effects by 30%.
And then maybe another lvl shift for good measure