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I don't have mids with me at work, but I can give you a few helping hints.
First, read AlienOne's all human warshade guide. I've seen him solo +4/x8 arachnos, something even my Dark Armor tank doesn't like doing.
Second, as to dealing with mez, this is an excerpt from my guide. It's from a tri-form perspective, but it only mentions dwarf once. Ignore that part, I suppose.
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The MFing Tactics No, this is not where I tell you how to lay waste to large numbers of easy foes until purple recipes rain from the sky. If you followed the first half of the guide, then you can do this already. This is where I go over tactics for dealing with things that are sometimes difficult. Mezzers If you read that and thought "Easy, just go dwarf," then shame on you. You're bad and you should feel bad. Remember what you learned in Phase Three: you are all forms at all times. Thinking any other way limits your options; options are power. There are a hundred ways to deal with mezzing enemies, and dwarf only covers about six of them. Mez them first. You have Gravity Well, a heavy hitting hold, and the means to single out that mezzer through stealth or TP foe if you took those powers. You also have Gravitic Emanation, one hell of a ranged stun for when there are multiple mezzing enemies. You may also have inky aspect if most or all of the minions are mezzers. If it's a mezzing boss, a healthy stack of stuns from aspect and emanation will do the trick. Unchain Essence can stun too. Sacrifice Fluffy. You have pets that follow you. Either stealth or teleport past the enemy group and let fluffy take the mez. You might hurt his feelings, but that's fine because he's already a tortured ball of angst you ripped from a whimpering, delectable soul. How much worse can he really feel? Phase in. I mentioned it has a punitively long activation time, so it doesn't work as an escape, but if you took the power, you can use Nebulous Form before you jump into the group. Toggle it up, run in and let the first volley of attacks on you do nothing. Wait for the mezzer to waste that crippling shot, then toggle off and wreck his day with your own hold or stun combo. Kill them first. You have some very heavy hitting attacks from nova, especially if you carry a mire from the last mob. In fact, I've even run ahead to the next mob to saturate a mire, only to run back in nova and feed the mezzer his teeth. Yet another option is to open up with a (mired) Quasar. Get inspired. Seriously, you have inspirations. You should be killing so many enemies that you will have trouble keeping an empty tray. Either a break free or a few purples should keep you mez free long enough to kill two full groups of enemies. Please look here for some handy methods to making the inspirations you want. Wait it out. Generally, this is a bad idea, but you can always just wait for the mez to wear off. Maybe you don't want to waste time shifting into dwarf and then back into nova. Maybe you simply want to cackle madly while the enemies feebly attack your stunned yet impervious body, all the while getting pelted by your three floating furious fluffy friends. Eclipse is not a toggle, so the resistance it grants will not suppress while you are mezzed. Die. Ha, you probably think I'm kidding. Little hint: Mez and debuffs go away when you die, and Stygian Return gives you ten full seconds of glorious, unhindered retribution. |
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Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
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i've read alienone's guide after doing some searching before posting and didn't find it overly helpful. my build went for perma hasten and none of his builds did though i still looked through them to see if i could get some slotting ideas but to no avail. i've also read your guide and got some ideas from it but none regarding mez that i didn't already assume.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I don't have mids with me at work, but I can give you a few helping hints.
First, read AlienOne's all human warshade guide. I've seen him solo +4/x8 arachnos, something even my Dark Armor tank doesn't like doing. Second, as to dealing with mez, this is an excerpt from my guide. It's from a tri-form perspective, but it only mentions dwarf once. Ignore that part, I suppose. |
i would appreciate someone with more WS knowledge peeping the build when the chance is available
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Umm, well, if neither of the two guides mentioned offered you what you wanted and you're under-impressed, then you must know more than either of those top Warshade players, so you will just have to write your own guide. Who were you thinking you should get your information from, instead?
Be Well!
Fireheart
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clearly asking for a build critique, preferably from those guide writiers, after saying i read their guides, is a proclamation that i know more than they do.
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Umm, well, if neither of the two guides mentioned offered you what you wanted and you're under-impressed, then you must know more than either of those top Warshade players
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Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
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clearly asking for a build critique, preferably from those guide writiers, after saying i read their guides, is a proclamation that i know more than they do.
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i've also read your guide and got some ideas from it but none regarding mez that i didn't already assume. i would appreciate someone with more WS knowledge peeping the build when the chance is available |
In other words it's as clear as mud.
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thats what i get for replying on a smart phone. i did mean someone with more ws knowledge than me.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
The problem is in your last line :
Reads like "someone with more WS knowledge than these guide writers" rather than "someone with more WS knowledge than me" In other words it's as clear as mud. |
Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
In that case, I apologize for my snark and hope that you will, indeed, get useful feedback from them. Haven't seen AlienOne around for a while, but Dechs is active, and a pretty cool guy.
Be Well!
Fireheart
From a glance I would say your biggest problem is that you lack Dark Extraction. They do a very, very large chunk of your damage, so not taking them is crippling you a bit. You also don't have to worry about keeping them alive because you can keep pretty much everything stunned all the time.
Essence drain is just plain crappy; if you are using it it may be hurting your dps significantly.
I like fitting in Stygian Return if I can, but you don't need it. On a perma-eclipse human build I would prefer to pick up the pool AoE taunt power as well.
All that said, I have never played a human build. Everything you could possibly need to cover mez, however, is listed in Dechs' post.
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Last I heard, he's an arrogant jackhole.|
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but Dechs is active, and a pretty cool guy.
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But I'd bet he could find time to look at your build tonight.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
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He'd better be. I went and rolled a DA/KM tanker because of him, and that character has been nothing but pain.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Last I heard, he's an arrogant jackhole.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
From a glance I would say your biggest problem is that you lack Dark Extraction. They do a very, very large chunk of your damage, so not taking them is crippling you a bit. You also don't have to worry about keeping them alive because you can keep pretty much everything stunned all the time.
Essence drain is just plain crappy; if you are using it it may be hurting your dps significantly. I like fitting in Stygian Return if I can, but you don't need it. On a perma-eclipse human build I would prefer to pick up the pool AoE taunt power as well. All that said, I have never played a human build. Everything you could possibly need to cover mez, however, is listed in Dechs' post. |
i had dark extraction in my original build but dropped it after doing afew itfs and lg's and found it dead more than anything. i did fit in stygian return on the redo, but taunt, im on the fence about.
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Taunt is not necessary, just something I like to have; helps keep aggro off of squishies and your pets. The pet res/def uniques will help a bit with keeping the fluffsters alive, and much more noticeably if you can get more than one in.
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interesting.
i had dark extraction in my original build but dropped it after doing afew itfs and lg's and found it dead more than anything. i did fit in stygian return on the redo, but taunt, im on the fence about. |
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alright how about this
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That looks better. I think you'll notice a significant difference in damage with pets and they should survive better with those IO's you have. If you find that they do survive well without having to use taunt, you can drop it if you still prefer something else. I say build it on the test server and see if it works for you before putting it all in on live.
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First off.
Why the 3 shield walls in shadow cloak?
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if your gonna drop money for shield walls... put it in absorbtion (the proc) 
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why taunt?
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six slot sunless mire with oblits.
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move the armageddons to orbiting death (the chance for fire is tasty)
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quasar is tasty as a nuke yes, but detoggling is no fun. You gotta retoggle all that garbage back up.
6) gravitic emanation should have your absolute amazments.
6a) move from inky to grav and grav to inky.
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build defense
feel free to hit me up at @debtlover in game if you want to.
ps.
i posted a permahasten+ highend warshade build.
feel free to check it out or ignore it. whatever.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=254414
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Various others.
@debtlover
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because i did toy around with it and didn't like it. slotting for defense seems rather pointless with perma eclipse and SC on a very very short timer. its pretty survivable as is. i have more of a problem dealing damage than surviving.
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Originally Posted by PC_guy
well i clearly went for a perma hasten build. how would i go about building for a significant amount of defense and still get enough recharge out of it to stay perma hasten? without going spiritual.
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Without spirital?
Blasphemy!
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Various others.
@debtlover
looking for a critique of my human WS build. its the current build but it doesn't play like i had hoped it would have. Mez is a big issue and i have yet to come up with a decent attack chain to max DPS.
This is the first kheld i've actually put any time into so just looking for all around help
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