Do you want to primarily be AoE Scrapper? If so Spines/Fire and Elec/Shield are good options.
If you want to have good AoE and good single target damage, then Fire Melee is probably the best choice. I love fire melee myself.
I think a good starter build if you're new to Scraps is Kat/WP.
Kat is not really heavy on PBAoE, but does have 1 PBAoE, 1 wide cone, and 1 small/medium cone, which isn't bad. Divine Avalanche is also a great bonus for early level survivability, which is good b/c you will undoubtedly jump into situations that will be more than can initially handle.
WP is a nice overall set that is good from start to finish, whereas a number of other secondaries are more late-blooming. It provides layered defenses which is always useful.
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I agree whole heartedly Katana/WP is a great first scrapper combo
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Originally Posted by Sir_Lionheart
I think a good starter build if you're new to Scraps is Kat/WP.
Kat is not really heavy on PBAoE, but does have 1 PBAoE, 1 wide cone, and 1 small/medium cone, which isn't bad. Divine Avalanche is also a great bonus for early level survivability, which is good b/c you will undoubtedly jump into situations that will be more than can initially handle. WP is a nice overall set that is good from start to finish, whereas a number of other secondaries are more late-blooming. It provides layered defenses which is always useful. |
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
Anything /WP is easy to start with.
Alright, here is my opinion...
/Shield or /Fire. From personal experience, /Shield scrappers are the sturdiest you can get as a scrapper. I currently have a BS/Shield at 47 and just got him soft capped to melee/ranged/aoe, solo at +2/x6 no problems. On the other hand, I have a Spines/Fire at 50 (my main) and I will say he is way squishier then my BS/Shield but the damage output of the Spines/Fire is much better. The other thing with /Shield is that you get shield charge. On the other hand, my Spines/Fire is a great addition to a team where he can be buffed and damn near invincible.
So, for soloing. Something like a Fire/Shield would be great. And yes, there is always the Elec/Shield that eveybody and their mother has... Be different! But find something that you like.
I also have a 50 MA/Regen, but dont get me started on regen. It sucks now.
And please dont turn your head because this is my first post... I have many many hours of this game under my belt (probably around 4000 hours total). I just couldnt remember.my forum login from 3 years ago...
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>Laughs< Really? Sure, it's definitely not a Secondary that I'd recommend to someone trying out the AT but sucks? Gonna have to strongly disagree with you on that one. Sure, it's not the "best" secondary choice but it does *not* suck.
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Originally Posted by Fifty-
I also have a 50 MA/Regen, but dont get me started on regen. It sucks now.
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Too many Alts, not enough 50's. Story of my life...
Regen sucks? I can probably do anything on my regen that your SD can do. Trust me, i have both. SD softcapd with perma hasten and alpha slotted. Kat/regen, no alpha yet but very solid build with IOs. kat/Regen was my first 50 in 2004 and i still have him.
First scrapper, id go with DM/SR. A heal with great defenses can't hurt.
Unless you want more AoE, then i'd go Fire. Maybe Fire/Dark or /Fire.
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Originally Posted by LD Avenger
So I just returned to CoH after about a 8 month break and I have never really played a melee toon and was thinking a scrapper but I have no clue what are good combos. Looking for good AoE's if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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For pure AoE effects, Scrapper has the following:
Electric Melee: 1 Cone, 2 PBAoE (1 non-damaging), 1 multi-mob attack (Chain Induction)
Spines: 2 Cones, 2 PBAoE
Dark Melee: 1 Cone, 2 PBAoE
Claws: 2 cones, 1 PBAoE
Broad Sword/Fiery Melee/Katana/Kinetic Melee: 1 Cone, 1 PBAoE
Dual Blades: 2 Cones
Martial Arts: 1 PBAoE
Electric Melee has the most AoE attacks. It does damage that isn't resisted much by mobs. Spines is also a very good set in this respect. I give EM the edge because cone attacks can be a pain - Chain Induction is an auto attack once you've fired it off. In a large group of mobs it will hit quite a few of them.
For Secondaries, if you are looking for damage:
Dark Armor, Electric Armor, Fiery Aura: Damage Aura
Shield Defense: 1 PBAoE (a nice one though)
Any of the above will work well for damage output. Shield has a damage buff power which is nice and will pair with your attack set's buff as well.
The downside to Shield Defense is that you cannot take it with some of the attack sets - Dark Melee and Dual Blades are excluded. There may be others I can't think of off-hand.
Having said all this, none of the primary or secondary sets for scrapper are *bad*. What you will consider effective will depend on your goals.
For pure damage output I'd make an Electric Melee/Shield, but I think that's been done to death (for good reason). Spines/Dark is nasty too - I've played one of those to the mid-20's and killed loads of mobs in cranked-up missions.
I also have a Fire/Dark that's very effective against groups.
The issue you will run into is that these scrappers tend to be squishier than a WillPower, Super Reflexes, Invulnerability, or Regen scrapper at first. I think they all have built-in heals for that reason.
Anyway, good luck and have fun!
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In the endgame, /Shield is incredibly strong, but new players should be aware that getting them to their softcapped higher echelons requires a substantial investment of Inf that a new player probably won't have, and a long trek to the top with a character that isn't going to be that sturdy. I love Shield, and the ludicrous amount of damage it can put out there, however.
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Originally Posted by Fifty-
Alright, here is my opinion...
/Shield or /Fire. From personal experience, /Shield scrappers are the sturdiest you can get as a scrapper. |
Shield is by no means the sturdiest, it is the sturdy while putting out the most dps ST and arguably AoE DPS but that is another horse to beat. Invul is probably sturdier pared with Dark Melee but cannot put out any where close to the DPS.
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
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Dont mean to be rude but your wrong. was probably a typo but Dark Melee can be paired with /shield. in my opinion its one of the best pairings for scrappers
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Originally Posted by Morandir
The downside to Shield Defense is that you cannot take it with some of the attack sets - Dark Melee and Dual Blades are excluded. There may be others I can't think of off-hand. |
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Originally Posted by Garjzla
Dont mean to be rude but your wrong. was probably a typo but Dark Melee can be paired with /shield. in my opinion its one of the best pairings for scrappers
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Yeah you are right - it's Claws, Dual Blades, Katana, and Spines (from Mid's).
/WP
Keeps regen and recovery up so you get to be in each fight without stopping a lot and having toggles crash.
My first scrapper was claws/wp. Still have it. I haven't played it in a while, but I'd wager it's as durable as my elec/sd, maybe moreso given the insane regen.
So I just returned to CoH after about a 8 month break and I have never really played a melee toon and was thinking a scrapper but I have no clue what are good combos. Looking for good AoE's if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.