Perma-hasten question
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Auroxis,
Posted on: 2011-01-23 02:42 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Short answer: No. Because you still need to wait 2.34 seconds after it wears off to cast it again and start the animation/cast time.
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Question, is that 122.34s before or after you go into Hasten?|
Originally Posted by RadioSilence
With my IO bonuses, I got hasten down to 122.34s. According to Mids, hasten recharges in 120s with a cast time of 2.508... so does that make me "perma?"
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If before, technically yeah. Because once you go into hasten you never come back out.
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Honestly, I highly doubt that's his Hasten's recharge value before Hasten's own recharge. Is it even possible get that much recharge without Hasten's own? That's about 165% or so recharge almost.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Question, is that 122.34s before or after you go into Hasten?
If before, technically yeah. Because once you go into hasten you never come back out. |
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Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor
Whatever everyone else said, with some caveats.
- If you've slotted the the chance for +Recharge somewhere, particularly an AoE that you cast a lot, you are probably covering the gap most of the time.
- However, one mistake people sometimes make in Mids is viewing Recharge with the +Recharge proc turned on. If you've slotted it somewhere, make sure its turned off for globals.
- You haven't indicated which alpha slot you picked. If you slot Alpha Spirituals, at the top your Global Recharge can actually be thought of as about +30 higher than it actually is. (It's actually more than that, but that's my rule of thumb. Weirdly, powers you skimp on slotting for Recharge benefit slightly more than those you heavily slot.)
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No, that's not quite perma-hasten. To get it permanent, you need to get the recharge down to 120 seconds - the Arcanatime of the power (which I don't remember off the top of my head. It will be slightly higher than the cast time). So you'll need to get it down to maybe 117 seconds or so.
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Originally Posted by RadioSilence
With my IO bonuses, I got hasten down to 122.34s. According to Mids, hasten recharges in 120s with a cast time of 2.508... so does that make me "perma?"
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I like getting close to perma, and then getting the base empowerment recharge buff when I feel like getting to perma. Doesn't cost anything and lasts an hour.
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I won't worry about the 2 seconds. Practically, there isn't much of a difference.
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Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
Honestly, I highly doubt that's his Hasten's recharge value before Hasten's own recharge. Is it even possible get that much recharge without Hasten's own? That's about 165% or so recharge almost.
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It's expensive, but yes.
Just a cursory (and really bad) brute force attempt on a fire/fire dom netted me 153.8% recharge. Outside of Hasten and no FF proc.
Recharge is just under 128 seconds.
Kick Hasten on, and it's recharge drops to just under 107 seconds. Perma.
I'm sure, with a bit more experimentation, I could probably squeeze a few more percent out. I wouldn't make any promises about how effective it's going to be though.
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IIRC recharge only starts after you finish casting, so no.|
Originally Posted by RadioSilence
With my IO bonuses, I got hasten down to 122.34s. According to Mids, hasten recharges in 120s with a cast time of 2.508... so does that make me "perma?"
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
- You haven't indicated which alpha slot you picked. If you slot Alpha Spirituals, at the top your Global Recharge can actually be thought of as about +30 higher than it actually is. (It's actually more than that, but that's my rule of thumb. Weirdly, powers you skimp on slotting for Recharge benefit slightly more than those you heavily slot.)
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Hmm, interesting. Imma have to look into that. The highest I personally got was about 122.5% on my Plant/Nrg Dom pre-hasten. But then in that build I was also building for S/L softcap and didn't consider PvP IOs.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
It's expensive, but yes.
Just a cursory (and really bad) brute force attempt on a fire/fire dom netted me 153.8% recharge. Outside of Hasten and no FF proc. Recharge is just under 128 seconds. Kick Hasten on, and it's recharge drops to just under 107 seconds. Perma. I'm sure, with a bit more experimentation, I could probably squeeze a few more percent out. I wouldn't make any promises about how effective it's going to be though. |
Thanks, will have to check this out.
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You can definitely go higher and still have a viable build. My main is at 133.75% before factoring in Hasten.
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Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
Hmm, interesting. Imma have to look into that. The highest I personally got was about 122.5% on my Plant/Nrg Dom pre-hasten. But then in that build I was also building for S/L softcap and didn't consider PvP IOs.
Thanks, will have to check this out. |
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My fire/kin/earth troller with the Spiritual Alpha slot sits at 111.3% global recharge (and softcapped defense, capped HP, and decent recovery), with hasten (which is 2 slotted currently, will drop it down to 1 slot with the rare/very rare alpha) which is perma I go up to 181.3%, and 3-4 Siphon Speeds brings me up to 241.3-261.3% rchg. Forcefeedback proc in fissure can juggle me between that and 341.3-361.3% rchg. And if I really feel like it I can pop Geas to recharge cap myself, although at that point it doesnt help a whole lot heh, it's just kinda fun to see the blue 400% in the combat numbers knowing you did it without any outside buffs.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
It's expensive, but yes.
Just a cursory (and really bad) brute force attempt on a fire/fire dom netted me 153.8% recharge. Outside of Hasten and no FF proc. Recharge is just under 128 seconds. Kick Hasten on, and it's recharge drops to just under 107 seconds. Perma. I'm sure, with a bit more experimentation, I could probably squeeze a few more percent out. I wouldn't make any promises about how effective it's going to be though. |
Effective? If anything it can be frustrating when everything you have recharges faster than you can mash buttons, but having everything up whenever you might need it is great, it gives you alot of options.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Effective? If anything it can be frustrating when everything you have recharges faster than you can mash buttons, but having everything up whenever you might need it is great, it gives you alot of options.
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| Unless your attack chain is Headsplitter, Headsplitter, Headsplitter, you dont' have enough recharge. |
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With my IO bonuses, I got hasten down to 122.34s. According to Mids, hasten recharges in 120s with a cast time of 2.508... so does that make me "perma?"