http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Patch_No...#Kinetic_Melee
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Most of the Kin-Melee debuffs last for about 5~7 seconds on a scrapper. So you'll likely only be able to layer two to three debuffs consistently. Of the Kin Melee attacks most have a debuff of 5.63% damage. Burst has -11.25% damage debuff. Repulsing Torrent has no debuff attached. | Kinetic Melee is a melee attack set based upon siphoning your opponent's energy and using it to power your own attacks. Each individual attack adds a damage debuff to the target (strength and duration dependent upon the tier of the power used) and Tankers inflict even stronger debuffs than the other ATs. Additionally, if Power Siphon is active, the caster gains a damage buff. |
Ergo, you'll be bouncing around 11%~18% sustained damage debuff on a single target.
Assuming that Damage and Resistance are different sides of the same coin, this would give kinetic melee about the same incoming damage mitigation as the Tough pool power does against smashing / lethal damage.
Is it noticeable?
Yes, it can make a large difference in survivability.
Hmm, that does sound rather good especially for secondaries that lack or have little resistance. And, I guess, the in the of super reflexes, kinetic melee seems to be a good primary to choose.
I think it'd also be fairly good to go with Shield Defense, as AAO does the same thing, adding even more of a damage debuff.
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Unless they have Dam Resistance against the type their own attacks use.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
AAAAAAAAAND AVs don't resist -damage
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One interesting thing is that -Damage doesn't stack with +Resistance in the same way -ToHit stacks with your defense. |
Originally Posted by je_saist
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Patch_No...#Kinetic_Melee
Most of the Kin-Melee debuffs last for about 5~7 seconds on a scrapper. So you'll likely only be able to layer two to three debuffs consistently. Of the Kin Melee attacks most have a debuff of 5.63% damage. Burst has -11.25% damage debuff. Repulsing Torrent has no debuff attached. Ergo, you'll be bouncing around 11%~18% sustained damage debuff on a single target. Assuming that Damage and Resistance are different sides of the same coin, this would give kinetic melee about the same incoming damage mitigation as the Tough pool power does against smashing / lethal damage. Is it noticeable? Yes, it can make a large difference in survivability. |
-Damage is more like another layer of protection, rather than stacking with a current layer (in the same way Defense and Resist are two separate layers of protection)
In other words if you have 50% resistance and do a 50% damage debuff an attack of 100 damage which hits you will still do 25 damage. That 50% damage debuff is actually acting like a 25% resist buff in this case.
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I am not talking about -damage resistance, I am talking about lowering the AV's damage output by reducing the amount of damage they produce.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
Unless they have Dam Resistance against the type their own attacks use.
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DSorrow is right though, Damage resistance also resists Damage debuffs. So when you hit them with Kinetic Melee -dam debuffs they may well have a bit of resistance to it depending on their own resistances.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
I am not talking about -damage resistance, I am talking about lowering the AV's damage output by reducing the amount of damage they produce.
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AVs certainly don't have any special resistances to -Dam though.
Yup, resistance resists -damage debuffs. On the plus side, this also means that resistance debuffs *increase* the effectiveness of damage debuffs. So if you're a tank with bruising, or a teammate drops something like freezing rain on your target, the debuffs you're laying will be boosted.
I still want to try an ice/km/soul tank... the amount of -dam should be quite delicious, especially given the presence of bruising.
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Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
Yup, resistance resists -damage debuffs. On the plus side, this also means that resistance debuffs *increase* the effectiveness of damage debuffs. So if you're a tank with bruising, or a teammate drops something like freezing rain on your target, the debuffs you're laying will be boosted.
I still want to try an ice/km/soul tank... the amount of -dam should be quite delicious, especially given the presence of bruising. |
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Hi guys,
Looking to build a new scrapper, specifically kinetic melee/sr, and I was working up a build in Mids and saw the description of kinetic melee attacks having a negative damage buff to foes. I was just curious how well this actually works, especially against EBs and AVs. Or is it one of those subtle effects that you hardly notice?