Ice/Fire makes for an okay farmer with Icicles + Fire Sword Circle + Combustion + Epic Pool AoE, and it pretty much has unlimited endurance thanks to Energy Absorption. But Fire/Fire or Shield/Fire would be faster alternatives.
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I have one and it is great but not ideal for farming. Go for a fire kin if thats what you want...not a tank.
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Originally Posted by TBoxer
Ice/Fire makes for an okay farmer with Icicles + Fire Sword Circle + Combustion + Epic Pool AoE, and it pretty much has unlimited endurance thanks to Energy Absorption. But Fire/Fire or Shield/Fire would be faster alternatives.
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Fire kins have a disadvantage from tanks/scrapper/brute though, they're much more squishy. It's not like their AoE disables will hit the whole group all the time (and even then, there's still the 16 target limit), and spending slots on softcapping also means the slots aren't spent on stuff like haste and damage bonuses. They're nice when grouped, but solo, not really that good compared to a scrapper or brute imho (fire armour means they don't really need to softcap def when fighting fire-based minions).
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Originally Posted by ORACLE
I have one and it is great but not ideal for farming. Go for a fire kin if thats what you want...not a tank.
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ice/fire does fine, SD/fire does better. Also does better on a scrapper or brute. SD/SS does pretty well too.
YMMV---IMO
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I have and use an ice/Fire Tank for both farms and teaming, TF's, Storm Palace sweeps and anything else I want to do. It works great, you just have to take Tough and Weave and I also took CJ. Also, proc up the pbaoes and Icicles and have fun.
It's very tough, has a decently recharging heal (with Hasten) and free End + extra Defense with fast recharging EA which is often double stacked. Set bonuses to taste and wallet.
Ice/Fire won't be a min maxers dream, but it's versatile and /fire/cold does great Aoe/Pbaoe damage. I decided to go the Ice Storm route instead of Fireball and don't regret it.
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Look- I also do well with mine on pvp but thats not the point. Bottom line it is not an ideal farmer or pvper. All the things you mention as tradeoffs I am not trading off |
Originally Posted by Signpost
Fire kins have a disadvantage from tanks/scrapper/brute though, they're much more squishy. It's not like their AoE disables will hit the whole group all the time (and even then, there's still the 16 target limit), and spending slots on softcapping also means the slots aren't spent on stuff like haste and damage bonuses. They're nice when grouped, but solo, not really that good compared to a scrapper or brute imho (fire armour means they don't really need to softcap def when fighting fire-based minions).
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. Fire Kin wins on farming- even compared to a fire ss brute. I should also mention I hate playing my kin but for farming it wins. Nowadays if I want inf I marketeer.
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Brutes, well built, will beat any fire/kin, skills being the same. Brute's higher dmg cap, even 75 or 80 percent fury, double rage... protected from mez's, sorry. I have even raced fire/kins and I leave them behind. If it's for strictly farming, the brute will outperform the fire/kin. Heck, even before IO's, a fire/fire/weapons blaster would have beaten a Fire/Kin. THe following chain on a well built fire/fire/weapons blaster: |
Originally Posted by ORACLE
Look- I also do well with mine on pvp but thats not the point. Bottom line it is not an ideal farmer or pvper. All the things you mention as tradeoffs I am not trading off
. Fire Kin wins on farming- even compared to a fire ss brute. I should also mention I hate playing my kin but for farming it wins. Nowadays if I want inf I marketeer. |
Sleep grenade, Aim+BU, Fire Sword Circle, Fire Ball, and blaze the boss if it was alive, then move on. All that would happen so fast, it was silly.
With AE and the capacity for SS/Fire (or even ele/fire) brutes to set the critters for fire dmg, there is NO competition. A brute will take on 54s and kill so fast, it's not even close, add to that the fact that a brute can handle a whole lot more mobs w/out worrying about dying.
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Make all IO's available in Paragon Market! NCSoft, the chinese are making BIG money selling influence and other stuff in the game. Best way to stop them = make the paragon market a place to buy all IO's and perhaps other things as well.
Can Ice/Fire Tanker be good Farming build? If so please post mids build if you like or just comment.
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