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How does it make sense for Warshades to suddenly and collectively all go bad? You do realize that PB and WS have their own background stories and plots, right?
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Originally Posted by serenityblaster
I would like to make a suggestion for new VEAT classes. This will entail restructuring of a sort with Hero VEAT's. Longbow have been a mainstay for hero's and would make a great hero VEAT selection such as Wardens. Warshades should be villain and peacebringers hero. Would fit into the storyline well since arachnos is the main villain group and Longbow are hero's main group. my friends and I have all talked about it and i have heard the same from others. Just makes more sense. Thank you for your time.
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Warshades are specifically atoners who are trying to make up for past misdeeds by willingly merging with a human and using their combined powers to right wrongs. Making them evil would defeat the entire point.
Also, "VEAT" stands for "Villain Epic Archetype", so there's no such thing as a Hero VEAT 
Looking over the various Longbow powersets, there's really little Longbow does that's in any way unique. The minions, lieutenants, and Officer bosses are essentially AR/Dev or DP/Dev Blasters, while Wardens just emulate other already-existing Hero ATs and powerset combinations (En/En Blaster, Storm/Elec Defender, Inv/SS Tanker, Mind/Emp Controller, etc) with regular Power Pools (Flight, Leadership, and Fighting) for the rest.
(Also, um... http://boards.cityofheroes.com/forumdisplay.php?f=603 ?)
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Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Also, "VEAT" stands for "Villain Epic Archetype", so there's no such thing as a Hero VEAT
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Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Looking over the various Longbow powersets, there's really little Longbow does that's in any way unique. The minions, lieutenants, and Officer bosses are essentially AR/Dev or DP/Dev Blasters, while Wardens just emulate other already-existing Hero ATs and powerset combinations (En/En Blaster, Storm/Elec Defender, Inv/SS Tanker, Mind/Emp Controller, etc) with regular Power Pools (Flight, Leadership, and Fighting) for the rest.
(Also, um... http://boards.cityofheroes.com/forumdisplay.php?f=603 ?) |
Actually, maybe they should just redo it as a temp power... or replace Time Bomb on Devices with Sonic Grenade.
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Originally Posted by Ideon
I wouldn't mind using the Longbow sonic grenades. I DEMAND REVENGE!
Actually, maybe they should just redo it as a temp power... or replace Time Bomb on Devices with Sonic Grenade. |
Ok, maybe not switch up just make available to both sides, plus there are plenty of bad Warshades ITF Specificly. Sorry for the VEAT/HEAT misunderstanding. You get the point! Now the Dev's can create new Longbow classes and actually upgrade a much needed Power Set.
Warshade != Nictus.
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Did you ever hear of Going Rogue? That means any AT is available to play on either side.
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Originally Posted by serenityblaster
Ok, maybe not switch up just make available to both sides, plus there are plenty of bad Warshades ITF Specificly. Sorry for the VEAT/HEAT misunderstanding. You get the point! Now the Dev's can create new Longbow classes and actually upgrade a much needed Power Set.
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My Night Widow has been a hero since a few days after Going Rogue went live.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
Did you ever hear of Going Rogue? That means any AT is available to play on either side.
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Echoing last two posts. With Going Rogue it is a minor matter for a Warshade to run around as a Nictus on the red side, or an Arachnos Soldier to be a Longbow on the hero side. It's just a matter of getting to 20 and in the latter case playing around with some costume options.
In fact, I've done both. I think the point is, there is no sense in duplicating the functionality of an existing EAT, when any new EAT would be better if it was something new and totally unique.
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There is not a single NPC Warshade on the ITF.
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Originally Posted by serenityblaster
there are plenty of bad Warshades ITF Specificly.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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The OP is confused, but I don't see anybody explicitly stating why.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
There is not a single NPC Warshade on the ITF.
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Warshades are reformed Nictus. Nictus are not necessarily Warshades.
Analogy: Lions are a breed of cat. Cats are not necessarily lions.
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Analogy: Lions are a breed of cat. Cats are not necessarily lions.
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The OP is confused, but I don't see anybody explicitly stating why.
Warshades are reformed Nictus. Nictus are not necessarily Warshades. Analogy: Lions are a breed of cat. Cats are not necessarily lions. |
Also, not all so-called "tame" Lions stay that way.
That's the basic idea, though. Nictus and Warshades are a subspecies of Kheldian that were created when early Peacebringers experimented with scientifically altering their abilities. They ended up with powers that let them feed off of their hosts and other living beings. This caused them to gravitate towards forcing themselves on their hosts, as a sort of parasite. Over time, a war erupted between the Peacebringers and Nictus over the way the Nictus were treating their hosts. Some of the Nictus "defected" and decided to try the Peacebringer way of choosing volunteers as hosts. These called themselves Warshades.
Honestly, the difference between Warshades and Nictus is one of morality, while between Peacebringers and Warshades it's more of a physical difference. (I would say genetics, but I doubt energy beings have genes
) But that really gets back to the idea that you can make a Nictus via side switching, not as a totally different Archetype. Peacebringers can go bad too, as noted in some of the Kheldian arcs.
I feel like the Paragon City Longbow are heroes while the Agincourt Longbow are Vigilantes in how they behave. There is an exploration badge that details the extend of their blind eye.
In terms of *EATs, I asked about Praetorian Epic Archtypes (PEAT) at the NYCCC and I would love a Devouring Earth based PEAT that was focused on a Praetoria/Devouring Earth War and a revival of the Praetorian Hamidon War. In terms of story and further expansion of Praetoria, it would be a great piece to add.
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I would like to make a suggestion for new VEAT/HEAT classes. This will entail restructuring of a sort with Hero HEAT's. Longbow have been a mainstay for hero's and would make a great hero VEAT selection such as Wardens. Warshades should be villain and peacebringers hero. Would fit into the storyline well since arachnos is the main villain group and Longbow are hero's main group. my friends and I have all talked about it and i have heard the same from others. Longbow vs Arachnos just makes more sense. Thank you for your time.