Spiritual boost + X% global recharge = Perma-Hasten. What is X?
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all_hell,
Posted on: 2011-01-05 23:49 in Player Questions
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Perma
Permahasten - Hasten needs a total of +275% Recharge
205% after Hasten's own +70%, 110% after 3 recharge SOs for ~95%
Spiritual = 14% to 33%
If you had perma w/o the spiritual, your could still have it if replacing one of your enhancers would be the same as adding the alpha boost.
W/ 6 rechg IOs, the spiritual boost gives ~14% iirc.
heres the formula
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Enhanc....35.25.29_are:
let E stand for the total enhancement amount
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Before ED After ED E < 70% E 70% ≤ E < 90% 70 + (0.9 × (E - 70)) 90% ≤ E < 100% 88 + (0.7 × (E - 90)) 100% ≤ E 95 + (0.15 × (E - 100))
Your Spiritual boost's effectiveness on Hasten is going to be different based on what you already have slotted in Hasten. You'd need to incorporate that into your equation to get a specific answer.
See above.
alternatively, you could 6 slot hasten and take the recharge alpha boost and have ~132% recharge specifically for hasten alone and drop 37% of your global recharge for something else if you wanted to and still have perma hasten
if my calculations are correct
You actually need a combined +277.9% to get Hasten to recharge as it expires due to the fact that it doesn't start recharging till after the cast has finished while the buff starts right away.
X(1) = 132.2% [1 IO + Spiritual Radial Boost equals ED(42.4% + 22.2%) + 11.1% = 75.7%. Plus the +70% from Hasten leaves that 132.2% needed.]
X(2) = 100.7% [2 IOs + Spiritual Radial Boost equals ED(2 * 42.4% + 22.2%) + 11.1% = 107.2%.]
x(3) = 94.4% [3 IOs + Spiritual Radial Boost equals ED(3 * 42.4% + 22.2%) + 11.1% = 113.5%.]
Kosmos
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MA Arcs in 4-star purgatory: Four in a Row (#2198) - Hostile Takeover (#69714) - Red Harvest (#268305)
Also fwiw, the wiki time doesn't include cast time.
I think you may need an additional 2.64 seconds to actually have hasten activating at the same time it expires rather than just recharging when it expires
Which means you would need ~283.4% total recharge for hasten rather than the 275% on the wiki. But that's just nit-picky on my part.
If you are able to recast hasten before it expires, do you never experience hasten crash?
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You mean the -15 end?|
Originally Posted by Cambios
If you are able to recast hasten before it expires, do you never experience hasten crash?
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Idk. I have never really noticed that there was a crash to hasten until I was examining the City of Data recently
Pretty sure you still take the hit, I know you do with the Rage crash from super strength.
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Yes you do, it wont let you stack it anyway.
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Originally Posted by Cambios
If you are able to recast hasten before it expires, do you never experience hasten crash?
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Thanks y'all for your answers!
Kosmos, your numbers make enough sense to me that I am using them in the build I am planning now. I was at +100% and thinking of dropping Hasten down to 2 slots, but I gave up a power with a 5% recharge IO set bonus instead (leaving me with 3 slots in Hasten and +95%).
Now I just wonder how close to perma my Disruptors and Widow will be...
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They are both 240s duration with a 900s recharge. The Disruptors take about 2.25s to summon while the Widow takes around 3.45s. So the Widow is slightly harder to perma.|
Originally Posted by Jelloman2K
Thanks y'all for your answers!
Kosmos, your numbers make enough sense to me that I am using them in the build I am planning now. I was at +100% and thinking of dropping Hasten down to 2 slots, but I gave up a power with a 5% recharge IO set bonus instead (leaving me with 3 slots in Hasten and +95%). Now I just wonder how close to perma my Disruptors and Widow will be... |
If they're at the 95% soft cap slotted (that is, 100% before ED) plus the Spiritual, 95% Global and Hasten we get a net Recharge of ED(122.2%) + 11.1% + 95% + 70% = 274.4%. That gives a recharge time of 900s / 3.744 + cast = 243.8s for the Widow with a 3.45s cast. You'd be roughly 4s short of perma on the Widow and 3s short on the Disruptors in that case. Call it about a 95% up time.
Working backwards to get to a 236.55s recharge time for the Widow pet you'd need +280.5% total Rech. You have 176.1% from buffs, Globals and the Alpha non-ED component, leaving 104.4% needed from the ED component. To get that ED value you need 162.7% enhancement prior to ED. Not very feasible, even with 22.2% of that from the Alpha.
However, the Spiritual Total Core Revamp (one of the next tier of Alpha boost options) would need only 74.6% slotted. That's 280.5% - 95% - 70% - 22.5% = 93% needed after ED on the enhancement. Which is 97.1% before ED. Then subtract the 22.5% from the Alpha to leave what you need slotted in the power, 74.6%.
Either that STCR boost or one of the two Spiritual Paragon boosts should make a perma-Hasten Crabbymind able to keep all 6 pets out at once with reasonable power slotting (< 85%). Of course, there's no additional value in making that perma; like Hasten, it's more a matter of neatness than effectiveness (unlike Rage or Domination, both of which lose drawbacks when they are made perma).
Kosmos
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MA Arcs in 4-star purgatory: Four in a Row (#2198) - Hostile Takeover (#69714) - Red Harvest (#268305)
With the Spiritual Core Paragon, is it possible to have perma hasten in pvp? I have perma hasten in pve but, my hasten seems to be down for 50 seconds when I pvp.
LvL 50 Kat/SR @Epic Onslaught LvL 50 Spines/SR @Epic Carnage
LvL 50 SS/SR Epic Voice LvL 50 MA/SR Epic Tsunami
LvL 50 Claws/SR Epic Decimation LvL 50 KM/SR Epic Torrent
LvL 50 DM/SR Epic Locust LvL 50 Elec/SR Epic Metanioa
God be with you, smiles.
Nevermind, I just tested AM's plus 30 recharge and it only shaved off 13 seconds to 37 seconds. I am guessing that I would not have perma hasten even with AB either in a pvp zone.
LvL 50 Kat/SR @Epic Onslaught LvL 50 Spines/SR @Epic Carnage
LvL 50 SS/SR Epic Voice LvL 50 MA/SR Epic Tsunami
LvL 50 Claws/SR Epic Decimation LvL 50 KM/SR Epic Torrent
LvL 50 DM/SR Epic Locust LvL 50 Elec/SR Epic Metanioa
God be with you, smiles.
using mid's having hasten slotted with 3 lvl 50 recharge IOs and the spiritual boost 1st tier (33%) i had to have a total of about 166.5% recharge to perma hasten
with the tier 4 (45% boost) I need a total of about 142.5% recharge to perma hasten
Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
I have hasten 3 slotted, 160% global recharge (with hasten) and the third tier Spiritual with 33% recharge bonus and am right at perma hasten; there is a split second of overlap with 0 down time as long as I am not hit with slows.
More precisely, what I mean to ask is:
If I have a Spiritual Radial Alpha boost, Hasten running, X% global recharge from IO sets (and other powers, e.g., Mental Training), and 1, 2, or 3 level 50 common recharge IOs in Hasten, what are the 3 values of X that give me perma-Hasten?
It was in the neighborhood of 110% before alpha slots, with 3 recharge IOs. I'm wondering what that ED-limited +22%, and the +11% that ignores ED, does to the recharge of Hasten. I'm thinking it only needs 2 slots now.
I also wonder if there are any powers that were difficult to impossible to perma before i19, but now can be. I'm sure there are nice attack chains that are a little more achievable now. (Sadly, my AR blaster's dream attack chains of Buckshot-Buckshot or FA-FA are not quite in reach.)