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Never read the series but I think you must have made a mistake there. 170 IQ isn't that high. I mean it's definitely advanced genius level but compared to the comic book super-intelligences it's insignificant.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
So... I just finished reading all of Young Justice, avoiding my reading of early Superman for a bit...
And I'm sorta upset... the events all happened in cannon, but all the characters were pretty much just forgotten after the end of the series...and the series had pretty much no impact on the rest of the universe... Fite & Maad... and Empress (Anita Fite) was left in an interesting situation where she was forced to raise her parents with the help of her "Uncle" Maad. Cissie King-Jones was just forgotten even though she is a great character and a nice female version to Red Arrow. Slo-bo was killed off, from what I can tell, just because the series was ending and having Slo-bo running around would be weird I guess. Secret, Greta Hayes, was forgotten even though she too has a great little possible continuation to her story since Darkseid apparently removed her powers, but he could only remove the "Evil" aspect of the power and not the blessing by the light god so she should have other powers or something. Traya, Red Tornado's daughter, who has 170 IQ forgotten as well. She should be a part of Teen Titans as their resident genius or working for Oracle seeing as she is supposedly Smarter than Brainiac. Seriously, these are all good characters and they're not being used... I was given the impression that Anita, Cissie, Traya, and Greta were all absorbed into the Wonder Girl comic but they seem to have been just a, "Where are they?" "Oh... They are friends with Cassie over here off screen..." It's annoying. I think they should take those characters and make some sort of crazy team... perhaps maybe be employed by Batman, inc. or Oracle. Also...The Super-Cycle and The Max have been just completely forgotten... A sentient vehicle that has an attachment to the people of Young Justice and a Interstellar space ship have been forgotten...how is that even possible when those would be very useful... |
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Greta and Cisse did make a brief appearance early on in Geoff Johns' run on the new Teen Titans series if I'm not mistaken, mostly as token support for Cassie when she was having some kind of trouble with school administration. But yeah, neither of them have made any major reappearance yet. Though I keep hoping Cisse will turn up in connection to the new Green Arrow series at some point, or maybe in a new costumed identity in Teen Titans. "Artemis" from the new YJ cartoon bears a striking resemblance to our little Arrowette, after all.
I know Traya and her mother have fairly recently made appearances in JLA, since Red Tornado has been featured there in the past few years.
I'm wondering, Durakken, if you've read the Impulse series as well? Good, fun stuff, especially in the early issues. 
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When Traya's mom recovers Red Tornado and his ex-wife are asked to come in by Traya's principal where she tells them that Traya's problems come from her having a 170 IQ. Red Tornado states that it is something Brainiac would be jealous of and then the Principal says that that is what the other kids call her.|
Originally Posted by Mandu
Never read the series but I think you must have made a mistake there. 170 IQ isn't that high. I mean it's definitely advanced genius level but compared to the comic book super-intelligences it's insignificant.
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Numbers themselves are fairly worthless imo because a lot of writers just throw out something that they think is high (similar to what people think techno babble is) and then hope that others get it or use descriptors to give the feel that they are going for.
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Greta and Cisse did make a brief appearance early on in Geoff Johns' run on the new Teen Titans series if I'm not mistaken, mostly as token support for Cassie when she was having some kind of trouble with school administration. But yeah, neither of them have made any major reappearance yet. Though I keep hoping Cisse will turn up in connection to the new Green Arrow series at some point, or maybe in a new costumed identity in Teen Titans. "Artemis" from the new YJ cartoon bears a striking resemblance to our little Arrowette, after all.
I know Traya and her mother have fairly recently made appearances in JLA, since Red Tornado has been featured there in the past few years. I'm wondering, Durakken, if you've read the Impulse series as well? Good, fun stuff, especially in the early issues. |
As far as Impulse...no I have not read it yet though I might add Impulse and Wonder Girl both to my read list... I only read this and now Teen Titans v3, like I mentioned, as somewhat as an avoidance to reading Superman, but also cuz i was curious...and since Teen Titans v3 is pretty much a continuance I was like I might as well read that too...
Killing YJ. welcome to one of DiDio's "brilliant" editorial mandates. he had the title smacked down despite how popular it was so he could meld the popular characters into a new batch of Teen Titans (which was itself at the time flagging for various reasons), and end pretty much all the lighthearted comics he could get his hands on. Only some of the characters 'graduated' to the new TT since they were attempting to blend the two different Titans groups together.
it wasn't bad as far as series go, but a lot of folks (myself included) knocked it because they ended what was an otherwise awesome title to turn the Titans into generic annoying supersidekick team C.
as for Impulse. i love the character, a lot, and it was cool to see him get his own title. However it annoyed me to no end to see the progress he'd made as a character prior to him getting his own book pretty much completely wiped out. i didn't exactly cheer seeing him become the new Kid Flash in the new TT series, but about the only thing i did dig about it was they brought the character to a maturity level at least roughly equal to where he was before he got his own book.
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as for Impulse. i love the character, a lot, and it was cool to see him get his own title. However it annoyed me to no end to see the progress he'd made as a character prior to him getting his own book pretty much completely wiped out. i didn't exactly cheer seeing him become the new Kid Flash in the new TT series, but about the only thing i did dig about it was they brought the character to a maturity level at least roughly equal to where he was before he got his own book.
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Impulse's solo title, under Waid, was already getting a lot of character development. It wasn't until later in the series that the writers kinda forgot all that. And that was before/during Young Justice's run. But PAD did give Bart a LOT of character development, especially in those last few issues of YJ, I'll agree with that.
And yeah, it's still painful at how he and the rest of YJ got screwed over in the transition to Teen Titans. That was just... no. Bad idea with bad execution.
IMO, Dura, you should be somewhat relieved that Cissie, Traya, Anya and the others haven't shown up more often. At this rate, the only thing they'd have to look forward to is horrible characterizations.
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I think the current "smartest person in the world" has an 210 IQ. Of course it's quite possible that the writer has no idea what the number translates to. (I always thought it was smart of them to refer to Brainiac 5 as a 12th level intellect rather than give him some outrageous IQ number since that doesn't really translate into anything in the real world.) It's equally possible that it was just intended to show Red Tornado bragging on his kid as parents will do and not meant to be a serious comparison between her and Brainiac.
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Never read the series but I think you must have made a mistake there. 170 IQ isn't that high. I mean it's definitely advanced genius level but compared to the comic book super-intelligences it's insignificant.
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I want to know why anyone would willing change their hero ID from Impulse to Kid Flash. 
Impulse just sounds so much better.
Artemis and Arrowette are also two different characters inthe YJ cartoon, according to the creators, as Arrowette is suppossed to make an appearance.
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I want to know why anyone would willing change their hero ID from Impulse to Kid Flash.
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But yeah, so agreed. Impulse is sooo a better name than Kid Flash.
Sorry, but Kid X will never be as cool as just X.
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You could actually make a case for becoming Kid X for branding reasons. You go from being some random kid with superspeed to being someone with the Flash's seal of approval.
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Because they're being written by people who want to bring back "their" versions of characters and wallow in nostalgia despite ruining the characterizations of countless perfectly good characters?
But yeah, so agreed. Impulse is sooo a better name than Kid Flash. Sorry, but Kid X will never be as cool as just X. |
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You could actually make a case for becoming Kid X for branding reasons. You go from being some random kid with superspeed to being someone with the Flash's seal of approval.
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Well, at least it's not X Jr.
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While the reasoning in story for Impulse going to Kid Flash was well done I think it was a huge disservice to the character, considering they just tossed out the entire character pretty much by having him become more serious and more knowledgeable and less impulsive which are all prime traits of the character.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
So... I just finished reading all of Young Justice, avoiding my reading of early Superman for a bit...
And I'm sorta upset... the events all happened in cannon, but all the characters were pretty much just forgotten after the end of the series...and the series had pretty much no impact on the rest of the universe... |
In Young Justice's case, they didn't like Peter David. But they couldn't help but notice the book was doing OK, and it had helped sell them on the idea that a book about teen heroes could make money. Before that, IIRC the Titans book had flopped badly and they had written off teen heroes as being out of fashion.
Then they were approached by Kid's WB about doing a show about young heroes. The WB had wanted the Justice League series to feature some sidekicks, but it went in another direction. Together DC and Kids WB started work on a Teen Titans series and of course DC wanted to relaunch the Teen Titans book to cash in on their end. The decision was made to kill Young Justice to free up the characters so they could go over to Teen Titans since most of the original titans grew up and are no longer teens.
The sad part was, they used the comic bible written for Young Justice as source material for the Titans cartoon. They borrowed heavily from Young Justice's light tone and characterization; the Robin/Impulse/Superboy dynamic that had worked so well in Young Justice became default personalities for Robin, Beast Boy and Cyborg respectively, with Starfire standing in for the naive Secret. Which is partially why their personalities in the cartoon don't really mach up with the comics.
In the end, like you said, the editors didn't really respect any of the continuity or character development after Young Justice was canceled. By the time Graduation Day happened and the new Titans book launched, Geoff Johns had retconned the characters to suit his tastes anyways. In many ways, those characters ended when the YJ book ended.
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So... I just finished reading all of Young Justice, avoiding my reading of early Superman for a bit...
And I'm sorta upset... the events all happened in cannon, but all the characters were pretty much just forgotten after the end of the series...and the series had pretty much no impact on the rest of the universe...
Fite & Maad... and Empress (Anita Fite) was left in an interesting situation where she was forced to raise her parents with the help of her "Uncle" Maad.
Cissie King-Jones was just forgotten even though she is a great character and a nice female version to Red Arrow.
Slo-bo was killed off, from what I can tell, just because the series was ending and having Slo-bo running around would be weird I guess.
Secret, Greta Hayes, was forgotten even though she too has a great little possible continuation to her story since Darkseid apparently removed her powers, but he could only remove the "Evil" aspect of the power and not the blessing by the light god so she should have other powers or something.
Traya, Red Tornado's daughter, who has 170 IQ forgotten as well. She should be a part of Teen Titans as their resident genius or working for Oracle seeing as she is supposedly Smarter than Brainiac.
Seriously, these are all good characters and they're not being used... I was given the impression that Anita, Cissie, Traya, and Greta were all absorbed into the Wonder Girl comic but they seem to have been just a, "Where are they?" "Oh... They are friends with Cassie over here off screen..." It's annoying.
I think they should take those characters and make some sort of crazy team... perhaps maybe be employed by Batman, inc. or Oracle.
Also...The Super-Cycle and The Max have been just completely forgotten... A sentient vehicle that has an attachment to the people of Young Justice and a Interstellar space ship have been forgotten...how is that even possible when those would be very useful...