A tank AV soloer?
tonight i went to d.a. and solod addy then hit k.r. and hit up on a fully constructed paladin
solod both however the running of paladin made it alittle more of a pain this was done on my fire/fire tank... |
Well I actualy like that fire/fire concept of a tank. He may be my next toon, is your fire/fire tank able to tank TFs as well?
well yes and no..as cma has said before my builds are very high priced and not viable for common players
i have 2 builds one of them is soft capped and better resistance and defense then a sheild/fire. i use it to do tf's including tin mage and apex..both successful
but at what cost is the issue
my 1st builds is a farming build for recov and recharge and just to damage the crap out of people.
Eh I have a buddy with about 90 bil stocked up and doesnt have any toons to slot, she said shed help me if I actualy lvl the toon and not just ask for the money :P
well thats awesome if you want my builds id be glad to send them to ya.
There are basically three things you need to be able to solo an AV.
1) You have to be able to stand in front of the AV and not die. This shouldn't be too much of a problem for a tank, though some AVs will give some tanks problems here - I don't expect an invuln tank to solo Mother Mayhem, for instance.
2) You need an attack chain that does enough damage. Some secondaries will not be quite as good here - Electric does not have a great single target chain.
3) You have to have the endurance to run that attack chain and the selected toggles indefinitely. 20+ minutes.
Some primaries help more than others - Inv has great defense, but its only contribution to offense is the to-hit buff in Invincibility. Fire armor has a lot more offense, but you'll have to focus on making sure that it is up to par defensively.
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On topic : I don't know if Inv/DB would make such a great AV soloer. I've ran the numbers on it (admittedly before Bruising) and came with about 110-120 DPS with BF->AV and all procs (purple damage procs + achilles heel + fury of the gladiator). Let's make a bold assumption and assume Bruising + Alpha Slot bumps this up to 140-150 DPS. Sounds enough, right? Except it's all lethal damage which is often resisted by AVs, so you're going to be looking at either 30+ minute fights or simply plain impossible to defeat AVs. I wouldn't settle for any less than 160 DPS on a lethal damage melee character, and being above 170-180 is much preferable IMHO.
On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't mind having such a character on my team. With three different res debuffs, one of them perma, while also having extremely strong defenses and aggro control, it looks like that combo has a lot to offer to teams.
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This makes me want to try soloing an AV with my fire/mace. Surviving is no issue, and I doubt that damage would be either. The big wall for my tank, and likely all tanks, is having the end to finish the fight. Hmm. Now I finally have a use for my 3rd build
I remember a thread here a while back about someone soloing an AV on a WP/SS. It's not unheard of.
I also keep hoping that one day I might stumble across a thread where je_saist actually makes a return to a thread. Until then... I suppose it's still entertaining enough to see him continue to be inexplicably (yet with such confidence!) incorrect.
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On topic : I don't know if Inv/DB would make such a great AV soloer. I've ran the numbers on it (admittedly before Bruising) and came with about 110-120 DPS with BF->AV and all procs (purple damage procs + achilles heel + fury of the gladiator). Let's make a bold assumption and assume Bruising + Alpha Slot bumps this up to 140-150 DPS. Sounds enough, right? Except it's all lethal damage which is often resisted by AVs, so you're going to be looking at either 30+ minute fights or simply plain impossible to defeat AVs. I wouldn't settle for any less than 160 DPS on a lethal damage melee character, and being above 170-180 is much preferable IMHO. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't mind having such a character on my team. With three different res debuffs, one of them perma, while also having extremely strong defenses and aggro control, it looks like that combo has a lot to offer to teams. |
With a tank's superior base survivability you can put a little more focus on building for damage output and probably reach similar numbers. So, Invuln/DB can probably do it as well or better than other tanks simply due the the ability to slot one more debuff proc than other sets.
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Let's throw more on the AV solo fire. I did it with my WP/KM before the new issue came out. I think almost any of the single target focused tanks can probably do it now as long as you build for a bit of damage and are willing to sit at your computer for a very, very, very long time.
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There are basically three things you need to be able to solo an AV.
1) You have to be able to stand in front of the AV and not die. This shouldn't be too much of a problem for a tank, though some AVs will give some tanks problems here - I don't expect an invuln tank to solo Mother Mayhem, for instance. 2) You need an attack chain that does enough damage. Some secondaries will not be quite as good here - Electric does not have a great single target chain. 3) You have to have the endurance to run that attack chain and the selected toggles indefinitely. 20+ minutes. Some primaries help more than others - Inv has great defense, but its only contribution to offense is the to-hit buff in Invincibility. Fire armor has a lot more offense, but you'll have to focus on making sure that it is up to par defensively. |
I would think it would be do-able, though I won't swear to it as I haven't run the numbers that closely. Your chain would look something like Beheader-Gash-Swoop-Cleave at moderate levels of recharge (70%-ish global, no hasten) and would be immensely aided by using AAO fodder - gather a stack of minions to fuel your damage.
I'd have to look at a proposed build before I could make any further statements, of course, and I don't have any sort of DPS-calculating spreadsheets - I do the math by hand. (I should set one of those up at some point.)
Cleave, of course, can take the Fury of the Gladiator -Res proc, which I would think could speed up the process significantly.
Just make sure that your endurance usage is sustainable first, because running down your blue bar really hits your DPS. I have no experience playing with Battle Axe above level 8 or so, but I found my Shields/SS to be pretty endurance-heavy.
Also, I'd suggest trying at first with an AV who is does not have a heavy S/L resistance, to get a feel for it.
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If the magic DPS is 100, Axe only has 2 attacks w/base DPAs over 50 (so ED cap of just under 100) in Gash & Swoop, but 2 more attacks at a shade under it in Chop & Cleave. W/AAO and the occasional BU, you should be able to go over 100 DPS pretty easily. And can you fit an Achilles proc in BA also? Haven't looked at my own SD/Axe tank in a while--forget if I have that slotted.
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I have solo'd a few AVs, and a Rikti Pylon. I have also managed to beat both the weakened Honoree and Captain Holtz in AV mode at the same time within Mender Ramiel's story arc with my Invulnerability / Super Strength Tanker.
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tonight i went to d.a. and solod addy then hit k.r. and hit up on a fully constructed paladin
solod both however the running of paladin made it alittle more of a pain
this was done on my fire/fire tank...