Can IH become a toggle?

wait... what?

Um... For starters, the change to Instant Healing was in Issue 5: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Regeneration

Second, there was quite a bit of controversy back when the change was made. This was what the Patch Notes said:

The players argued that the developers were wrong, that Instant Healing was not over-powered. The controversy has long been eased from the forums here, but if my memory is correct, part of the decision to change Instant Healing was based on the performance of the regen set on a test server where other bugs were present: e.g. con purple enemies not actually having con-purple stats.

I'm sorry, but what was said about the power by the developers, and the controversy over the change, in no way, shape, form, or time-line, matches what you just posted.

edit: found some posts dealing with the change through google with the search string: instant healing jack emmert site:boards.cityofheroes.com

That is so not when that happened, or why.

And no, there's no way it would become a toggle at its current power. I'm not saying the level of power is the same, but this is fundamentally like asking for Strength of Will or Build up to be made into toggles. Sure, they could be, but they would not be nearly as strong as they are as clicks.

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Well...except that IH was a toggle in the first place. It was a toggle from I0 to I5 (GDN/ED).


The reasons? I remember them well.
The devs said they would be changing Regen since it was too powerful.
When we asked what "too powerful was", after much asking, they said that a Regen could solo a 15 mob of +8 baddies.
Imagine! Soloing a +8 mob of 15 baddies!!!
Everyone was like "NO WAY". Other people (fanbois) said "It must be true, why would they lie".
The rest of us was..."It can't be. NOBODY solos a +8 mob of 15 baddies. NOBODY. Not even an INV tanker with perma-Unstoppable. There's NO way you could survive or in fact even SCRATCH that +8 mob".
Then the Jack Emmert posted a video of a Dev ACTUALLY soloing a +8 mob with 15 baddies with a DM/Regen....
We were like...WTF? Then someone noticed that the Regen was ONE-SHOTING a +8 mob. There's NO way anything could do that, even in the good old days. Not even with BU + AIM + 6 slotted Headspliter could you do that on a +8 mob.
Then some dudes did the math and came to the conclusion that the Devs internal playtest server musn't have the PURPLE PATCH (the one that makes your powers less effective as the level gap increases).

Jack Emmert said " Hm.... I am going to check on that one after the weekend, on monday".
Come monday, he announces : "Hm, we realized our internal test server didn't in fact have the purple patch. OOOPS. Our mistake".
"Small concern=smal tweak. Don't worry regeners"
(remember that at this point, on every Issue, from 1-5, regen had been nerfed in every single one of them. Every single one. It was a recurring joke on the forums, one that even the Devs joked about).


Rejoice on the forums! Everyone was happy! We had done it, we had proven the Devs that they were wrong, it was THEIR mistake, not ours. They had been using a faulty server, one which lacked a patch that was active for like 5 issues at that point.
Regen wasn't going to be changed, since the reason for its change was proven to be a mistake.



Then, 2 weeks later or so, I5 comes and the Regen change comes as planned, without any difference. We as players, discovered that the Devs had been making assumptions based on faulty data.....but still they didn't alter ONE BIT to the nerfs. It was as if we were nothing.



That's the story.
I quit CoH soon after. I am still angry about it, about a guy that lies and makes mistakes but doesn't care. I couldn't pay money to a guy that tottaly drops the ball, but ignores it completly.
I only came back after Jack Emmert left CoH.




So, that's the story.
IH got changed due to faulty data.
Was it strong? Without any doubt!
Was it overpowered? Yeah, as so many powers in CoH are.
After ED, being reduced to only 3 heals would have made it more in line with the rest of the game? Unquestionably.





/rant off.

It didn't get changed due to faulty data. The devs had faulty data, but keep in mind they had decided to reduce the power of all defensive powers based on tons of datamining from the *live* servers, before they did that set of controlled tests without the purple patch. And they repeated those tests with the purple patch correctly enabled and showed the performance of the powersets under those conditions as well. It was an idiotic mistake, but not the controlling factor. It just meant Geko's powers of observation were far weaker than I could possibly imagine**.

Would IH be just a little overpowered with ED as "so many powers in CoH are" if it were in its original toggle form today? Not really: with the reductions in other powersets coincident with I5's global defense reductions, toggle IH even with ED would be a wild anomaly among damage mitigation powers today.

If you want toggle IH back, here's more or less what you have to do:

1. Cut its strength by about a third.
2. Eliminate the +health enhanceability of Dull Pain for Regen.
3. Eliminate reconstruction. And I don't mean replace it with a non-mitigation utility power. I mean eliminate it and replace it with nothing more useful than swift.

That would put Toggle IH Regen right about where the balance target is for scrapper mitigation sets. Other than that sort of deep cuts, or major across the board buffage of all damage mitigation sets, toggle IH at anything remotely close to its current strength is extremely unlikely.

(By the way, I'm sure there will be people who would prefer the option above to the current Regen set. However, even that suggestion only preserves the numerical power balance requirements as I understand them. It still would have additional hurdles, not the least of which is that I'm not in charge of powerset balance, IH would require a cottage rule exception, and there's a lot of people who prefer the new version of Regen. If it were up to me, I would allow both versions to coexist ala branching VEATs so long as players could not choose both versions in different builds. But it ain't up to me).



** And to this day no one from the dev team has ever explained the "phantom slots" that were in the posted SR build from those tests, which exceeded the number of slots available at the tested level by two.

I'm well aware. I was here from pre-release and aware of the game's goings on (through others) for more. I had a Regen Scrapper as early as the very end of I1.

The fact that it was a toggle before does not mean that the devs would give us its current level of HP recovery as a toggle now, even reduced from its glory days as it is now. My statement stands that compares to asking for things like Build Up as a toggle, as long as one is aware I don't mean for the comparison to convey true scale. The devs would not give us Build Up's click power stats as a toggle, and I don't think they would give us IH's click power stats as a toggle. Both would be reduced.

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