possible for perma indomitable will

like the topic says. i have an elec/kin troller, want some mez protection... normally i would do this myself, but i no longer have mids. my new computer won't load it for some reason. i would prefer without hasten, but if it's not possible, so be it.

Hmmm 360 base recharge, perma at 90, means roughly 300% total recharge. And indeed that is the same ratio of needed recharge for perma PA (240/60 vs 360/90). A friend's Plant/Storm with IW has around 213% global recharge yielding about 2 to 3 seconds of overlap.

OMG!!! *jaw drop* ok, well in anyone's opinion is perma-IW really needed if I control the enemy mob well enough?

Another player wanted this on a controller that didint suit it, and it was just an excersice in maths and a mids experiment to make a build for it.

However both Elec and Kin live in melee range, so it seems ideal. However locking yourself into that epic pool for IW is a poor choice, in my opinion, though the KD from psychic tornado wont be affected by your primary, which is a plus...

if you went say earth mastery you could probably net yourself a melee range ST hold for overlapping mag. a Self Heal/+HP power and some effort towards softcapping yourself towards incomming damage.

The trouble with shooting for perma IW is that its a big investment, and when you get hit, its gonna hit you hard. And face planting is the cruelist mez of all, one IW offers no protection from.

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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl [*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*

This isn't a question I see as having one obvious answer. It depends a lot on what sort of enemies you're fighting, whether you're teaming or not, tactics, ...

For example. I have a mostly soloing Fire/Kin with about 225% total recharge for IW before Syphon Speed. I'd estimate about a 15-25 second downtime on IW, depending on how much I've been able to double or triple stack Siphon Speed.

When I'm fighting Council, I don't usually bother with it. I get stunned sometimes, but not often and it's not usually a big deal. I'm far more concerned with those stupid Warwolves who just won't hold still.

When I'm fighting Carnies... not so much. Because at some point, I'll be fighting an Illusionist, and they'll do their little "Unaffected!" dance at my controls, and then they'll use Flash, and at that point things go downhill rapidly. Unless I have IW up, in which case Illusionists become not particularly dangerous, merely annoyingly durable.

Break Frees can, of course, get you out of the odd mez here and there. But they aren't suited for preemptive use, and since Hot Feet is a significant component of my mitigation strategy, having to wait for it to recharge is it's own issue. Never played an Elec, so I don't know how important Conductive Aura is to your defenses. (Or if it in fact plays a part at all.)

Overall I'd say having *literally* perma IW is not absolutely necessary. It certainly doesn't seem like it'd make as big a difference as perma PA does to an Illusion controller. But it's possible to get it down to a pretty short downtime without getting into the most incredibly expensive IOs, and it was definitely worth it for me, since if something kills me, there's a pretty good chance me being mezzed for a while was part of the chain of events.

-Morgan. Also, I just don't like Fissure.

Yep foes you typically fight would have a lot to do with it. An additional factor in the utility of perma vs nearly so is the duration of many high level mezzer mezzes. One is vulnerable to not just the mezzing that occurs for the 5 or 10 seconds IW is down ... but for any mez who's duration extends into the down period ... you know like the malta stuns that last "forever". And many controller builds high recharge is a plus for many powers not just IW. IW may be just another power benefiting from the recharge needed to get it perma.

Also worth noting IW is NOT just mez protection but offers a large amount of +defense vs Psionic attacks, like a great deal of Carnie, Arachnos and other high end mobs. Large as in +34'ish when slotted up.

If you can afford to be mezzed for a second or 2, maybe going with the Leaping pool and acrobatics will be enough for you. That's what I did with my ill/rad. And I could be wrong, but even though acro is hold resistance (as opposed to defense/protection), I haven't noticed getting held at all running acro. Also, acro has kb protection which IW lacks. Of course, with -kb IO's this is rendered academic, but still. With inherent Fitness, it's easier to fit acro in, if you don't mind SJ as your travel power. I like CJ for the small defense and immob protection, so nothing in these 3 powers is really wasted. Food for thought...

I tried to make a build for perma-IW on my Ill/Cold, and was able to...but I did not like the outcome with certain powers' slotting...so I stuck with my heavy recharge focus with S/L almost soft capped.