Psy/Em epic choice

If we weren't all on the ignore list maybe we could get him to set a time and show us how to do it, since we know nothing.

lol you are on thin ice with those toons Fiery. I suggest you roll up an AR/Ice blaster, Energy/Sonic corrupter, and a Dual Blades/Dark/Soul stalker to show us you have some real skills. Instead of you know... common sense.

I still think it's funny that he thinks fire requires more skill than sonic. I mean no blast set is really that dificult......but it doesnt get much easier than spamming flares with an occasional blaze

I better break out my Claws/DA Brute to PL my skills.

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Originally Posted by DaveMebs i'll duel him on my lvl 35 kin/sonic fender

And Mebs throws the challenge flag at Sbane.

Hey smoke, Sbane OBVIOUSLY knows which toons you have better than you.



Also, lol RV

ya know, does it really matter, he only talks about lol zone PvP anyway, like it is hard on any toon to damage spam travel suppress someone..........

Well, PvM play is a little different. F or one thing its more team oriented for even the casual people, so you might expect there to be, as you say, many roles to fullfill and different optimal builds to fulfill each one. And, in high level team PvP, you do indeed see 2-4 different builds on a given team.

ultimately though, in PvP, everyone needs to be able to look out for themselves at least a little tiny bit, because enemy behavior is not predictable. this reduces diversity still further by reducing drastically the usefulness of tank type characters in any game, and forcing everyone to look effective 'survival techniques' that require the least amount of compromise in their builds - this, for example, is why everyone and their brother has some combination of Hibernate, PFF, and Phase (and the people who don't are usually getting farmed).

Also, in this game at least, PvE is much more balanced, allowing a wider diversity of things to be effective. For example, if I want a PvM healer, I don't necessarily need the highest green numbers to be the best at what I do. I can build a bubbler and do a good job of protecting the team that way. Because Diminishign Returns, and the general prevelance of +ToHit even before that, I cannot really do the same thing in PvP. In PvP support is.... simplified, so to speak, such that whomever has the most possible amount of total healing is the best at it. period. Thats why everyone plays Empathy characters for team PvP - best heals; best buffs. Me with my Thermal pwoers just don't compete because my shields aren't really helping after DR. This is a problem that I feel strongly ought to be addressed, but until it is, it is ludicrous to BLAME those people who want to be healers for choosing the best set for the job and becoming /Emps.

Also its worth noting that most of the reason people deliberately play less than optimal characters is for concept, and people tend to regard PvP as a highly OOC excercise. As an old-fashioned UO player who feels that RP and PvP are logically highly related to one another, I think thats a tragedy of modern MMO gaming, but you can't force people to RP, can you?

All thats almos to one side though. the biggest difference is that PvE is not competitive. I don't need to have the BEST tool for the job in order to succeed. I just need it to be good ENOUGH. the threshold I'm trying to overcome may be higher for some content than others, but its fixed. So long as i have that minimum amount of pwn, if you will, I'm set. I can then waste a few power slots on something I think is cool, or take an epic that fits my characters theme rather than her build, or what have you. In PvP thats not so. there are other people looking for an edge on me, and if they get one, they'll use it to beat me. I MUST have the optimal tool because my enemies will as well, and the objective is to beat them. This is not only true in MMOs, just more obvious and pronounced here. In SP you can get away with a lot of things that you think are just neat. In Multiplayer you need to be better than your opponent, and that basically means you need to be the best.


EDIT: TL;DR.... too bad? Not sure i have a witty summery line, but basically, I think the person above is wrong.

EDIT 2: Isn't that what basically ALL these posts boil down to? LOL. if we actually convinced each other and all came to agree, I can't imagine what we'd have to talk about. :P

Dahjee, I believe thats waht they hoped. They've even gone to the trouble of overhauling the entire PvP system to try and make a wider diversity of characters viable, and make PvP play more like PvE - to bring them closer to being part of the same game, as you say. The trouble is... they kinda failed. Even they admit, at this point, I think, that the character builds, as well as skill set even, needed for PvP and PvE have gotten more, not less seperate since I13, and lets be honest - it was never exactly the most balanced PvP in MMO history even before that, was it?

Want fantastically balanced PvP? Play a FPS. MMO's will always be rock paper scissors and I really can't think of one that has a perfectly balanced system. Team PvP, the larger the better, gets us as close as we can get to balance.