Time for a new respec interface !!


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This is something I would like to see from the Dev's. I would love respecs to take less time and I think a new interface would be key. Oftentimes I am doing a total respec to often move a few slots around, which I dont have an issue doing but just looking at issue 19 and having over 40+ characters to respec and I know others will have a lot more than that.

I would also like to see the enhacement tray increased from ten. This is just ridiculous. In this day of IO's I have often had to burn several respecs to take IO's off one character to invest in another character. There should be a way that these can be deposited in the auction house or in your base or vault from the respec interface.

Also since one of the earlier updates the numbers on the enhancements got really really really small. This needs to be fixed.

Just some thoughts as I prepare to start the huge number of respecs I will start when I get home.


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Originally Posted by Airhammer View Post
Also since one of the earlier updates the numbers on the enhancements got really really really small. This needs to be fixed.
Someone said earlier today this has been fixed in this update. So that's something at least.


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Castle mentioned back in the GR beta that a respec renovation was something they were looking into, but that wasn't currently in any particular schedule.

I seriously doubt they're going to increase the amount of "free" enhancement storage, though (free in the sense that you now have 10 slots that can be rearranged, traded and sold from).

I certainly agree that the interface for respeccing needs to be made a lot more user-friendly, though. It's very clunky as it is now.


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I also want a easier respec option! To many times I've wanted to change just the last power I chose only because it wasn't what I wanted, needed or I found some one elses spec I liked better.


 

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I also want a easier respec option! To many times I've wanted to change just the last power I chose only because it wasn't what I wanted, needed or I found some one elses spec I liked better.
This sounds a little bit like you want MORE respecs, not a better interface for completing the respec of your toon.

Respec's come with running respec missions and getting veteran rewards, or them being handed out for free by the devs (or in today's case, having a new issue with major upgrades to powers - inherent fitness). You can also buy a respec recipe on the market, or if you get lucky you can have a respec recipe drop on you from a kill.

"To many times I've wanted to change just the last power " <--- although Ive had the same thing happen to me, so that option would be nice


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This sounds a little bit like you want MORE respecs, not a better interface for completing the respec of your toon.
No the OP wants to reuse enhancements he slotted on other characters. Simply changing a single power is easily accomplished using the current respec system since the most a single power can only have 6 slots at most and we can pull 10 enhancments off of a build per respec.

This is the real gripe the OP has.

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I have often had to burn several respecs to take IO's off one character to invest in another character.

The OP is just going to have to deal with it just like everyone else does because everytime the devs get asked to increase the number of enhancements we can pull during a respec they have told us "No." and explain that they were being generous when they decided to let us pull 10 off of a build.


 

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No as a 78 month vet I have LOTS of free respecs. Thats never an issue. The issue isnt that I need MORE respecs. Most of my toons have at least three or more from Vet Awards and thats not counting some that still have freespecs and MANY have never run a respec mission.

I use Mids whenever I build a toon so normally I am doing pretty well as far as builds go.

My issue is that the interface needs to be made a little simpler. hopefully taking less time and I do have an issue when one desires to move lets say two full sets of some IO's off one toon to another toon. That would requite TWELVE slots and we only have ten. I cant tell you how many times I have had to respec a toon TWICE to move just TWO IO's or Hami-O's off from one toon to another. I could understand this back in the day when it was just SO's and you could sell them and get a large portion of what you invest BACK in terms of influence.

However in the todays world with IO's which often are slotted 5-6 deep to get full advantage of a set, I dont think its outside of the realm of reason to ask for 12-15 spaces for enhancements in the respec window to facilitate moving IO's and Hami-O's


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I cant tell you how many times I have had to respec a toon TWICE to move just TWO IO's or Hami-O's off from one toon to another.

Enhancements are permanent once slotted and it was an act of generosity that the devs chose to allow us to reclaim 10 during a respec.

If you had to burn two respecs in order to pull 2 enhancements off of one character to slot on another then you are grossly incompetent at respeccing or this is a bald faced lie. We can pull 10 enhancemnts off of a build at a time. You would have been able to pull a total of 20 enhancements off of a character using 2 respecs.


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The OP ( me ) has already dealt with doing multiple respecs and believe me I have LOTS of respecs available on my creations so if I need to burn an extra one I can. I think they could easily add 2-5 slots to make it EASIER and less likely to need to burn extra respecs and I dont think that is game breaking.

However my MAIN issue is that the interface is slow and time consuming. I am already looking at respecing 40+ toons and I know of people that have literally 100+.

I'll give one example. The Power Tray. Every time I respec I have to write down the order of all the powers in my tray. There SHOULD be a way that can be saved. Also every times I respec the FIRST thing added back into the power tray is all this crap like "walk" and the fire extiguisher power I have left over from 5 years ago and crap like that. Thats just one example.

When I get home I am going to see how many I can do before I got to bed. Now I have ALL of them done in Mid's AND I have every slot figured out and ALL the changes I am going to make. I figured them out WEEKS ago. I have gotten pretty good a blazing through a respec and I STILL think the interface could be updated and made smoother.

I am VERY glad to hear they fixed the itty bitty number thing.


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They gave us freespecs when GR went live, so we had plenty of time to go thru our characters (just like I did with the 80+ characters I have on just my main account) to get them ready for when Fitness went inherent. Procrastination is not an excuse.


 

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No the OP wants to reuse enhancements he slotted on other characters. Simply changing a single power is easily accomplished using the current respec system since the most a single power can only have 6 slots at most and we can pull 10 enhancments off of a build per respec.

This is the real gripe the OP has.




The OP is just going to have to deal with it just like everyone else does because everytime the devs get asked to increase the number of enhancements we can pull during a respec they have told us "No." and explain that they were being generous when they decided to let us pull 10 off of a build.
Um - look who I quoted.. wasnt the OP


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Originally Posted by Airhammer View Post
This is something I would like to see from the Dev's. I would love respecs to take less time and I think a new interface would be key. Oftentimes I am doing a total respec to often move a few slots around, which I dont have an issue doing but just looking at issue 19 and having over 40+ characters to respec and I know others will have a lot more than that.

I would also like to see the enhacement tray increased from ten. This is just ridiculous. In this day of IO's I have often had to burn several respecs to take IO's off one character to invest in another character. There should be a way that these can be deposited in the auction house or in your base or vault from the respec interface.

Also since one of the earlier updates the numbers on the enhancements got really really really small. This needs to be fixed.

Just some thoughts as I prepare to start the huge number of respecs I will start when I get home.
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This sounds a little bit like you want MORE respecs, not a better interface for completing the respec of your toon.
Not sure how in the blazes you got that out of what he said...




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Not sure how in the blazes you got that out of what he said...
Because I was not quoting the original poster - as can be plainly seen if my post is actually fully read, and the next post I posted.. and this one


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Because I was not quoting the original poster - as can be plainly seen if my post is actually fully read, and the next post I posted.. and this one
Mind showing me where I said you did? I was talking about the text you quoted. The person was saying they wanted the ability to just swap out one power in a respec without having to rebuild from the ground up. Still burns the respec the same, just less work to do it.




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Um - look who I quoted.. wasnt the OP
And the person you quoted doesn't want more respecs, but rather last "X" level respecs or respecs that work backwards compared to how we have it now.


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Change the way respecs work to make them easier to do: Yes

Increase number of enhancenemts we can keep at a time: No

I could have gone more in depth in my response, but I don't feel like typing for a half hour to get my point across, so I apologize if it seems dismissive.


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I know that I for one would like to have access to chat while doing a respec.

They can take time, but that isn't always because of the interface. If I'm totally retooling a toon, I have to take time to rethink the enhancement placement. During this time there are often people trying to chat with me; or it might be me wishing to ask another player I know for their input regarding my respec process.

I just wish that we didn't have to isolate ourselves from the whole community while we are doing respecs.


 

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I know that I for one would like to have access to chat while doing a respec.

They can take time, but that isn't always because of the interface. If I'm totally retooling a toon, I have to take time to rethink the enhancement placement. During this time there are often people trying to chat with me; or it might be me wishing to ask another player I know for their input regarding my respec process.

I just wish that we didn't have to isolate ourselves from the whole community while we are doing respecs.

I would definitely be in favor of this.


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If you had to burn two respecs in order to pull 2 enhancements off of one character to slot on another then you are grossly incompetent at respeccing or this is a bald faced lie.


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Wow, I'll bet you are glad they got rid of the forum rep because you are a total *******.


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I was able to burn through about six respecs last night, but again I had them all planned out.

I did have to burn two respecs on one toon to remove everything I wanted to transfer off.

See for me the enhancement " locked " argument doesnt work because the respec unlocks everything anyway.

However this is a small point and doesnt affect me that often.

I would LOVE an easier interface. And I agree I woud LOVE to be able to have a chat window while respecing.


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I'm in total agreement with the OP and love the idea of having a chat window while I respec. Don't know why Forbin_Project is being absolutely inflexible on the subject but am very thankful it's not his call.


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Wow, I'll bet you are glad they got rid of the forum rep because you are a total *******.
ROFLMAO! I like many others simply turned the rep off and never bothered to check it.


 

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I'm in total agreement with the OP and love the idea of having a chat window while I respec. Don't know why Forbin_Project is being absolutely inflexible on the subject but am very thankful it's not his call.

I never said I was against the idea of making the respecs easier to do. I merely pointed out the simple fact that the devs have flat out told us every time they are asked to increase the number of enhancements we can keep that they were being generous when they allowed us to be able to pull 10 enhancements off of a build during a respec.

I'm not the one being inflexible on the topic, the devs are. But feel free to demonize me as the bad guy I find the nerdrage amusing.


 

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I never said I was against the idea of making the respecs easier to do. I merely pointed out the simple fact that the devs have flat out told us every time they are asked to increase the number of enhancements we can keep that they were being generous when they allowed us to be able to pull 10 enhancements off of a build during a respec.

I'm not the one being inflexible on the topic, the devs are. But feel free to demonize me as the bad guy I find the nerdrage amusing.

LOL. Get a hold of yourself, Mr. High&Mighty. Going through your other posts in regards to this thread, one can glean that you are quite accustomed to and comfortable with the respec process as it currently stands. Calling people out for ineptitude and procrastination when the process in question just reeks of tedium and at times can be quite confusing is a little harsh don't you think? Or maybe sympathy was never something you picked up in grade school.

Telling the OP to "deal with it" on a forum which allows us, the customer, to state quality of life issues which we feel can be improved upon, complete with our thoughts on an actual solution is pretty futile when you think about it. Then again it sounds like you never gave it much thought when your fingers did the typing.


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