Well, one quick thing to mention is that Nova does take sets. Specifically To Hit, Flight and Universal Travel Sets. I've got a +Perception IO and I'm going for a BotZ Slow resist. But for right now I do have a single To Hit IO in it.
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This is correct. Nova form will take both toHit buff and Flight IO sets. |
Originally Posted by Mr_Right
Well, one quick thing to mention is that Nova does take sets. Specifically To Hit, Flight and Universal Travel Sets. I've got a +Perception IO and I'm going for a BotZ Slow resist. But for right now I do have a single To Hit IO in it.
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There's no reason to slot Nova for a whole lot of anything in terms of raw stats. It functions plenty well out of the box. If you want/need more Accuracy you should be slotting the attacks.
Nova is, however, a good place for procs and globals. Which one(s) is really a matter of personal preference. I'm of like mind with Mr_Right and keep a +Perception IO in Nova. Others prefer the +Stealth IO from Freebird or the Chance for +Endurance from Performance Shifter. It's really up to you.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
About half-way through getting slots into the dwarf form powers, I realized I could put resistance in dwarf from itself for survivability even prior to getting eclipse.
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) I've returned after a long hiatus, and find that the nova form I slotted with Freebird's Stealth doesn't show a stealth effect icon. Could other people try this out, and let me know if the stealth is no longer working this way, or if the icon doesn't show for anybody for some reason, or ... anything else that might help me make sense of this?
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I don't have one to check with myself, but you could go into combat attributes and check your stealth radius.
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Originally Posted by NightSweat
I've returned after a long hiatus, and find that the nova form I slotted with Freebird's Stealth doesn't show a stealth effect icon. Could other people try this out, and let me know if the stealth is no longer working this way, or if the icon doesn't show for anybody for some reason, or ... anything else that might help me make sense of this?
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'Tis true, Nova don't need slots, but Dwarf should definately be slotted for Res. Really, the whole point of Dwarf is to be more resiliant than human form, and the Human Form shields can be slotted, plus you've got Eclipse.
To err is human, but y'know, go fix that. 
Personally, I liked slotting Nova for EndMod, myself, but with Stamina on the forms now that's no longer as big a deal to help recover End. The tohit bonus isn't that great, but as a mule for IOs...
(It's honestly too bad that damage boost in Nova form can't be slotted. Now that would bring the Nova in line with the Dwarf in terms of slotting cost! )
This is what leaves me shaking my head: isn't 13.5% tohit decent, not overwhelming? That's more than what I calculate getting from double mire. I know double mire has damage buff, too.
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13.5% To Hit isn't bad. It really isn't by itself. But each Mire gives 4.5% To Hit base. For each target you hit up to 10 targets each, so that's potentially +90% To Hit for a Double Mire.|
Originally Posted by Psylenz
This is what leaves me shaking my head: isn't 13.5% tohit decent, not overwhelming? That's more than what I calculate getting from double mire. I know double mire has damage buff, too.
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The base +To Hit in Nova form is decent by itself, and in the lower levels, when you need it, you can't slot it for a better bonus without sacrificing a lot of slots. And in the higher levels when you can afford to slot it with fewer slots, you don't really need it because you have many other tools that are better to have.
The good news in this is that Nova doesn't really need slots. Just having a +To Hit in the base slot is great, and means you can spend those slots in other powers. It also means that you can upgrade that slot to just about any IO Enhancement and get a better bonus then what you had before. Be it Slow Resist, -KB, a Perception bonus, or Stealth. Compared to your other tools, those are things you don't normally get (or get enough of) but can now have! Thanks to Nova!
Just to be clear are those ToHit or Accuracy?
Because 13% ToHit is Ginormous. 13% accuracy is pretty good.
The difference:
ToHit is a straight bonus to the % chance to hit the other guy REGARDLESS OF THEIR LEVEL OR DEFENSES. Accuracy goes into the formula earlier and is modified by their level, your level, their defense, AND YOUR TOHIT bonus.
So ToHit is not only more powerful in and of itself, but it also makes all your accuracy bonuses work better.
a 90% ToHit bonus means you have a 95% chance to hit anything at all, even a level 100 enemy with perma elude. (won't hurt him worth a darn, but you won't miss often either).
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Yes, mire gives you unslotted +4.5% tohit per enemy. Potentially, you could have +90% tohit.
Nova gives you +9% tohit. That's pretty good. +13% is better, obviously, but I don't think it's worth slotting for. Base chance to hit even level mobs is 75%, even one accuracy SO puts you at the cap for final chance to hit.
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My Warshade has all three forms but is focused as a Human form build. I found the forms useful at times. Nova for flying and longer range blasting, and Dwarf form for RES when few (or one) enenies are around. Something which I've done on my Warshade is to slot IO sets that give +ACC set bonuses. My Warshade is Purpled out from years before so my +ACC is +87%. Even so, if you can eek out around 33% (or more) ACC set bonuses, that and Nova's inherent ToHit Bonus should do you quite well.
As I've previously said all of my slots are in my human form. So I've slotted Hamidon CytoSkeleton Exposure enhancers (RAM/Range) in my Nova's attacks. The 2 single target and targted AoE sll now have nearly the range of s Snipe attack. And the Cone attack is now rather huge. With my ACC set bonues and Nova ToHit, I can fight +3s without feeling the need for a Mire.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Gaussian's Build Up proc for Nova Form. I personally have the Gaussian proc in Nova and the Decimation proc in the big single target Nova attack (can't remember the name of it off the top of my head). The combination of those two gives me a "decent" chance to proc build up(s!) while blasting away in Nova form.
Nothing you can "count on" at any particular time mind you, but they function like crits to your Nova blasts for 5 seconds when they proc ... which can often mean 2-3 attacks (including the Cone and Target AoE) can dish out "unexpected extra damage" at times to mop the floor with stuff. Usually when either (or exceptionally rarely, both) of these proc, I'm saving attacks (and the associated endurance and time expenditure) because hostiles are faceplanted that much faster.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Yes, mire gives you unslotted +4.5% tohit per enemy. Potentially, you could have +90% tohit.
Nova gives you +9% tohit. That's pretty good. +13% is better, obviously, but I don't think it's worth slotting for. Base chance to hit even level mobs is 75%, even one accuracy SO puts you at the cap for final chance to hit. |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Yes, mire gives you unslotted +4.5% tohit per enemy. Potentially, you could have +90% tohit.
Nova gives you +9% tohit. That's pretty good. +13% is better, obviously, but I don't think it's worth slotting for. Base chance to hit even level mobs is 75%, even one accuracy SO puts you at the cap for final chance to hit. |
"Base chance to hit even level mobs is 75%, even one accuracy SO puts you at the cap"
How I read that is with nova form default slotted with say fly not even tohit, the individual powers are at the accuracy cap of 95% with just one single origin accuracy in the powers.
... or did you mean one single origin tohit in nova?
Either way it boggles my mind!! I have my nova attacks seriously overslotted for accuracy. Putting a Gaussian's chance for buildup in the nova form sounds very appealing and a good fix for my slotting in nova.
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Nova also takes endurance mod sets. What happens if you slot a chance to stun in there from the Energy Manipulator set?
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Nothing ... since if it did actually proc, you'd stun yourself, not the hostiles you're shooting at. For this reason, the proc only works in powers that affect Foes, not Self.
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Originally Posted by David_Yanakov
Nova also takes endurance mod sets. What happens if you slot a chance to stun in there from the Energy Manipulator set?
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You either get the chance to stun yourself, or nothing at all. Depending on whether the fix was implemented in Nova.
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Originally Posted by David_Yanakov
Nova also takes endurance mod sets. What happens if you slot a chance to stun in there from the Energy Manipulator set?
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I have been playing my warshade on Virtue and enjoying some good leveling. I just hit level 47. I foresee a respec coming for inherent stamina so I have been playing around with slotting, which is more than "more is better" since you want so many slots for so many powers. I tri-form.
About half-way through getting slots into the dwarf form powers, I realized I could put resistance in dwarf from itself for survivability even prior to getting eclipse. I then turned my attention to Dark Nova. I don't have all attacks 6 slotted, and I don't have all attacks with 90% accuracy. Researching Red Tomax, the base +tohit in Dark Nova is 9%. Using two generic tohits (since sets aren't allowed), that adds around 50% more tohit or 13.5%. I know there is a lot of flexibility in playstye and slotting of how you play your forms, it seems to me 13% on top of what I can afford slotting into 4 attack powers is a pretty big deal. What am I missing?
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