Theoretical Question Regarding Instant Healing

I'll keep it simple, would you accept a nerf to the amount of +regen Instant Healing provides, given it was changed back into a toggle? I'm not sure how significant of a nerf, but a nerf nonetheless.

No. Currently I enjoy the bouncy, click-based performance of */Regen and taking away the nominal "god mode" power (MoG is a more traditional god mode numerically, but it doesn't operate in the same use-case classification that god mode's do) would take away from that playstyle a bit, not to mention that damage recovery as a defense doesn't scale up in a remotely similar way as additional damage mitigation mechanisms do.

It doesn't help that I know roughly the level of nerf that would need to be seen to see IH turn back into a toggle. We're not going to see a similar high-cost, high-return relationship that we were used to seeing back when it was unless they attach some very painful costs to it (such as killing damage output capabilities or somesuch), so the power would have to experience a vast drop in performance potential.

Instant Healing is awesome as it is now. I see now need at all to change it.

Nope, for the reasons Umbral said. Either it would make the power's regen small enough to just not be that helpful, or make it have some really obnoxious side effect that would try to dissuade us from using it. In a world of IOs pouring endurance on us and inherent Fitness, there's no way they'd just make it cost more again.

Nope, but I never had it as a toggle. I love my regen the way it is. If I wanted Instant Healing as a toggle I might as well play a Willpower.

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Actually heres a though, keep the name but have it be rise to the challenge ish with a -regen to opponents and only hit half the amount of NPC's, with it enhanceable to 200% regen. Would give the opportunity to have a tauntish aura, wouldnt be overpowered, and would stack well with other powers in the set.

Change for the sake of change would piss me off, plain and simple. Regeneration as a set is fine. Yes, it's not the Regeneration some of us old timers remember, but I've long since made my peace with that. It now is what it is and what it is is fine. Yeah, I'd cope if Instant Healing was a toggle, but why? Nostalgia? As for random changes in some completely different direction, no. Seriously, no. Plus disallowed by the cottage rule.

I wouldn't mind if they nerfed IH slightly. Let's say to 800% regen instead of 1000%. But I think any more nerfed-ness and it would look like a skippable power again. (to me anyhow, or it could replace fast healing, then people would call for fast healing to be changed in some way).

I'd even take 500% passive regeneration if it meant I could have IH as a toggle.

Never had it as a toggle, so I don't particularly care about that. I do know that as it stands right now, it's way more of a godmode power for Regen than (just one single brief) Moment of Glory. Not saying that I'm not glad they made MoG no longer a complete pile of suck. I just find that if things are heading downhill fast, Instant Healing does way more for me.

But I can understand someone arguing that Instant Healing does more for them than Moment of Glory. I'll take Moment of Glory over Instant Healing personally, but they're both useful. They're just useful differently. Instant Healing gives you a nice, moderate buff to your survival for quite a while. Moment of Glory stops most damage cold, giving you time to regroup, recharge, heal up, and get back to it. By the time it drops, you need to have the situation back under control - or at least know which tool you'll be using next.

What Instant Healing is not is an "oh crap" button. If you use it because you're already about to be screwed, it's not going to save you. I have to say I rather successfully use it as a god mode. Is it like popping Unstoppable? No. But it tremendously increases the average DPS I can sustain for quite a while, and if I am paying attention to what I'm doing, that's really useful.

Modern Regen is the powerset of "pay attention to what you're doing". If you don't or can't, you'll faceplant. That's why I like it.

I'll get back to this thread after my ma/regen sits under the Spirit [Bodhi] Tree with i19 and attains enlighenment to his *core*.

Not really, go stand it a +0x8 group with 0 defense to every type/position and see how long you'll last. DP and IH will not be enough to keep you alive.

Same answer as most everyone else... I'd rather have the click for a spike of high regen then have a lower level of constant regen that wouldn't be enough to get me through the spikes of damage I might face. If anything I'd rather have it be more clicky... as in higher regen, less duration, on a shorter recharge.

I would go that way too, Shred.

Too often have I not used IH when I should have, or clicked it and then get spiked. I would rather it last shorter, recharge faster. Or just be there all the time. To be honest, I have stopped taking it on my regens (2), because most of my deaths are "whoah look at those pretty numbers -> dead". I would rather click a purple, hit MoG, Recon, or DP.

Another thing that bugs meh is that I hit DP and then die, with no heal... but now DP is gone =( that usually makes me cry, swear, or both.

Edit for clarification:
I would either like it as a toggle with less regen attached or faster recharge, less duration, higher regen. Because right now, I just don't see a reason to use it often. (same with resilience kinda, would be nice if they added some sort of debuff prot, either slow, regen... something)

I just got done playing a regen to fifty, and IMO, the set is underpowered, even moreso with upcoming free fitness. One of the sets biggest draws for me is the fact you get quick recovery so early on, now that everyone gets stamina for free even earlier, that advantage has been reduced greatly. And the biggest problem with the set, again imo, is that it really only offers survivability, and yet it falls behind most of the better sets, especially those that offer defense that can be built up even further with IOs.

The regen I built up, had softcapped defense to s/l and even with that, and IH up a LOT, I didn't feel nearly as sturdy as I do on other built up secondaries, even while running IH. Granted, I might not be the most skilled regen player, but I would expect a secondary that only provides survivability AND requires more skill and activity to use effectively, to provide superior mitigation, much less inferior mitigation, even if the gap isn't enormous.

The set also has some glaring weaknesses that are not all that rare to run into. Obviously -reg creates some problems, and while its not very common in the old game, the new content seems to use it more often. And -rech can really cripple the set.

If I were in charge, I'd buff regen by lowering the recharge on IH, and making it more possible to have perma with enough investment, while giving the set -reg and -rech resistance/protection.

I know I said earlier that I would wait and see what i19 had to offer the set, but I dont think my opinion is going to change. I dont care how much regen the set gets. What kills me is the overwhelming debuffs stacked on me (esp -recharge) so I dont have access to tools. If the set would replace IH's regen with a burst power that would a least remove all debuffs (or add that to MOG) - and make it on a fixed timer (not if given to MoG mind you), that would be the stuff. Your getting beat down, they are all over you- debuffed to all get out, and then you find it within yourself to get a resurgence of power throw them all off you and bang! Your back in it!