Active Defense, I Love You!


AnElfCalledMack

 

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Let it be said, that I have never been able to defeat Ghost Widow with any of my other 12 toons on the first try until now with my level 43 KM/SD Scrapper. So, let me say "Thank You Active Defense". As we all know, Ghost Widow has some pretty wicked holds and mezes. Most toons crumble underneath her mighty power, but not tonight. No, not tonight Ghost because I had Active Defense and you couldn't lay your dead immobilizing hands on me...heh...heh. Night, night Ghost Widow, Rest In Peace.







 

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Congratulations Fusion. Looking forward to trying it myself.

Note to self: Roll up a KM/SD scrapper.


 

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Congrats!


Side Note: Active Defense wasn't a factor in your win; just 'ol Lady Luck. If she hit you with Soul Storm (her hold), it would've blown through it like it wet tissue paper. (It's MAG 100, strong enough to blow through Unyielding and Unstoppable with a little under 3/4 of its MAG to spare.)


 

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Originally Posted by Sarrate View Post
Congrats!


Side Note: Active Defense wasn't a factor in your win; just 'ol Lady Luck. If she hit you with Soul Storm (her hold), it would've blown through it like it wet tissue paper. (It's MAG 100, strong enough to blow through Unyielding and Unstoppable with a little under 3/4 of its MAG to spare.)
Hmmm you know, I think I did get hit with a little something when she was down to her last breath. I was immobilized briefly so it appears she got a bit of Soul Storm through my defenses. I would say that she is one of the tougher AV's out there who can pack a punch.







 

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Originally Posted by Fusion_7 View Post
Hmmm you know, I think I did get hit with a little something when she was down to her last breath. I was immobilized briefly so it appears she got a bit of Soul Storm through my defenses. I would say that she is one of the tougher AV's out there who can pack a punch.
No, you got hit with some variation of Tenebrous Tentacles or Midnight Grasp (she uses one of those, I can't remember). But if she hit you with Soul Storm, it's a hold, it lifts you up in the air and spins you around slowly and does a DoT that bloody well kills you.


 

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Thank your defense, not active defense :P



Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.

 

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But if she hit you with Soul Storm, it's a hold, it lifts you up in the air and spins you around slowly and does a DoT that bloody well kills you.
Pretty much. In my screenshot, you can see it ticking for ~55 damage at 75% res. It would've been ticking for 220 with 0% res, and it ticks 11 times for a whooping total of 2420 dmg before resists. (She was +1, so at +0 it would be 2180 dmg as an EB.)

It may not kill you by itself if you're at the HP cap / have decent passive res with some regen to back it. However, the fact your other toggles suppress will ensure she hits you with something else.


 

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Originally Posted by Sarrate View Post
It may not kill you by itself if you're at the HP cap / have decent passive res with some regen to back it. However, the fact your other toggles suppress will ensure she hits you with something else.
Yeah, I was thinking specifically of a /SD scrapper. My SD/SS tank has survived Soul Storm, as has my Kat/WP scrapper, but my BS/SD scrapper has died every time.


 

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Originally Posted by Chaos_String View Post
No, you got hit with some variation of Tenebrous Tentacles or Midnight Grasp (she uses one of those, I can't remember). But if she hit you with Soul Storm, it's a hold, it lifts you up in the air and spins you around slowly and does a DoT that bloody well kills you.
Yeah, it was something else then because she never got me in the twirly whirly dealio that lifts you up in the air and spins you around like a child's toy...heh..heh. Maybe that was the one that I was very happy not to get hit with because you're as helpless as a small kitten.







 

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If you love it so much then why don't you marry it!
Oh I plan to. I cannot think of any other type of power that will give you all the bells and whistles to prevent being mezed. And going through the early stages without this type of power can bring many deaths working towards our Debt Badges...







 

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Oh I plan to. I cannot think of any other type of power that will give you all the bells and whistles to prevent being mezed.
Practiced Brawler
Unyielding
Indomitable Will
Plasma Shield
Integration
Obsidian Shield
Rooted

There's a bunch of powers that give you the same thing.

Not that Active Defense isn't a nice power, it is. Just that the powers I mention here are nice as well.


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Originally Posted by Fusion_7 View Post
Oh I plan to. I cannot think of any other type of power that will give you all the bells and whistles to prevent being mezed. And going through the early stages without this type of power can bring many deaths working towards our Debt Badges...
Yeah... not taking Active Defense as early as possible is suicide. lol


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Night, night Ghost Widow, Rest In Peace.

Wouldn't it be date of Re-Death?


 

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Nice. I now have a high lvl sd tank, sd scrapper and sd brute. Luv it.


 

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I really have a hard time playing classes without mez protection. I don't know how they do it.


 

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
Practiced Brawler
Unyielding
Indomitable Will
Plasma Shield
Integration
Obsidian Shield
Rooted

There's a bunch of powers that give you the same thing.

Not that Active Defense isn't a nice power, it is. Just that the powers I mention here are nice as well.
Actually, Plasma Shield's not really a mez protection power - you need Fire Shield's Stun protection, too. Fire's nice like that, but the downside is immob protection in an AoE attack (which, admittedly, you want to use a lot), and no native KB protection or exotic status protection (Dark, the other set with a KB hole, has Fear and Endurance Drain resistance in its toggles).

Static Shield may have been the one you were thinking of, but that's not really complete without Grounded for KB. Also has the best Endurance Drain resistance of any set, with a bit of slow resistance in LR, too.


 

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Originally Posted by AnElfCalledMack View Post
Actually, Plasma Shield's not really a mez protection power - you need Fire Shield's Stun protection, too. Fire's nice like that, but the downside is immob protection in an AoE attack (which, admittedly, you want to use a lot).
That's why all of my Fiery Aura take Combat Jumping so I have immob protection all the time


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I really have a hard time playing classes without mez protection. I don't know how they do it.
Those little things called Break Frees.


 

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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi View Post
Those little things called Break Frees.
Yeah, but they also need more greens and/or purples to make up for the substandard defenses. I get how CERTAIN AT's do it (Controllers/doms mez everything etc), but for peeps that lack hard controls, it seems like you'd have to turn off bosses or just not run certain mishes. Then again, I solo a lot, so...


 

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Originally Posted by Fusion_7 View Post
Oh I plan to. I cannot think of any other type of power that will give you all the bells and whistles to prevent being mezed. And going through the early stages without this type of power can bring many deaths working towards our Debt Badges...
And the other cool thing is, since Active Defense is a click, you still have mez/kb/immob protection even if you get toggle-dropped due running out of endurance, and can beat a hasty retreat while your toggle-mez friends get held in your wake.


 

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Originally Posted by sprintstnyc View Post
Yeah, but they also need more greens and/or purples to make up for the substandard defenses. I get how CERTAIN AT's do it (Controllers/doms mez everything etc), but for peeps that lack hard controls, it seems like you'd have to turn off bosses or just not run certain mishes. Then again, I solo a lot, so...
Every AT without mez protection has a way to deal with mezzing threats. Controllers and Doms mez them first as you say. Corrs and Defenders can debuff them and most have mezzes of their own in their blast sets. MMs can use their pets to take the mezzes. PBs and WSs have Dwarf form. Blasters can still use their primary tier 1 and 2 attacks to kill whatever is mezzing them.

You don't need to turn off bosses or not run missions that have mezzing mobs. Hell, once you get to the mid-late 30s there are basically no enemy groups that don't have mezzing. What you do is you play smarter.

I disagree with the idea that ATs without mez protection have "substandard" defenses. There are 14 ATs, 6 of them have mez protection in their primary or secondary sets, 8 if you include Dwarf form for the Khelds. Having mez protection and personal defenses is only standard if you only play melee characters, in which case you have little to no basis to be making judgement on the other ATs.


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