Originally Posted by OzzieArcane
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Female leads for "The Dark Knight Rises"
That's one of my ONLY problems with Nolan's Batman. I can appreciate trying to keep Batman grounded in reality, but to do so to the exclusion of parts of his mythos smacks too much of the old view of comic book movies.
"Well, we're not gonna use THAT part of the comic. That's just too silly to work in a movie." |
The original series of Superman films featured superhuman threats in parts 2 and 4. Just about all the Marvel films feature superhumans.
I mean, we've already seen a hundred superhero films where super powered beings run rampant. I don't understand why you have such a problem with Nolan not using that aspect of the comics when we've already seen it so many times before.
I'm unclear on what "old view of comic book movies" you're talking about. Other than the Punisher films, I can't even think of a superhero movie that doesn't have superhumans in it.
It's Nolan who wants to stay away from the super powered, supernatural or super science characters. It's Nolan who wants to stay close to realism or at least a reasonably believable facsimile of one.
Yes you could have Poison Ivy as an eco-terrorist with bioweapons derived from nature. Too bad they already sort of played that card with Scarecrow.
Yes they could have a Catwoman, but she really isn't a big heavy, merely a talented thief.
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I would have Talia come to Gotham to claim her father's body and take it home to be buried in the family cemetery. While there she and other members of the League of Assassins go after Batman to avenge her father as well as punish Batman for betraying the League. Only Talia falls for Bruce and in the end helps him fight off the League and prevent them from carrying out another plan to destroy Gotham. The movie ends with the two saying their goodbyes as Talia watches the casket containing her father's remains being loaded onto a plane for transport. Comic fans know that she's headed for a Lazarus Pit without the supernatural being introduced into the movie.
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Kate Beckinsale for Catwoman! We already know she can pull off the black leather catsuit!
I mean, we've already seen a hundred superhero films where super powered beings run rampant. I don't understand why you have such a problem with Nolan not using that aspect of the comics when we've already seen it so many times before.
I'm unclear on what "old view of comic book movies" you're talking about. Other than the Punisher films, I can't even think of a superhero movie that doesn't have superhumans in it. |
Am I really supposed to accept Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy from 'Batman and Robin' as a satisfactory portrayal of these two villains? It's obvious they thought the comic too silly since they clearly made 'Batman and Robin' as a comedy.
Really, the best two Batman movies from that era was Batman and Batman returns. Neither of which had super powered villains. Deformed, yes. But not powered. Actually, 'Batman and Robin' was the ONLY Batman movie with powered villains.
And let me be clear, I'm not saying that a comic movie NEEDS super powered villains. Heck, I probably wouldn't have said a thing about Nolan's movies if he hadn't actually come out and SAID he wasn't going to use any super powers. It's just the attitude that bothers me.
And that doesn't ruin the movies by any account. X-Men had the same problem. (How do we make these guys more believable? BLACK LEATHER!! It's the only solution.) And hey, who was the villain in the new Superman movie? Lex Luthor. With the amazing power of doucheyness. How long have people been asking for a big budget Superman brawl with another supervillain?
And have you noticed how isolated every movie was? Only the Iron Man and Incredible Hulk movies have really addressed a universe of heroes. Every other comic book movie has sorta operated as though the title hero was the only one operating in the world. And I'm not talking about crossovers, just a little snippet of dialog here and there. How cool would it have been to here a TV in the background of the Superman movie mention something about "the situation in Gotham has been resolved".
I can't really give concrete examples since it's more just a feeling I get sometimes from stuff like Nolan's interviews. Just this air of "okay, I'm making a movie about this comic book character, but I'm gonna do it RIGHT".
Maybe I'm just being paranoid. I'll concede the point once Metallo shows up in the new Superman flick.

That's because the superhero universes tend to sold of piecemeal to movie studios. The surprising thing is Superman and Batman franchises are WB which own DC. You would think they would embrace the shared universe the way Marvel did with Iron Man, Hulk and their planned Avengers related properties.
But I think WB movie division simply thinks about movies one franchise at a time. The idea that multiple franchises are related is something so foreign to them that they haven't come up with a way to share/hide profits from such a venture.
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I think Metropolis was briefly mentioned in Batman Forever, but it's a good point. And I agree, superpowered villains and more fantastical elements can indeed work in comic book movies. It just depends on presentation. With a different script and director, even Arnold and Uma's Freeze and Ivy probably could have worked. I can easily picture Mr. Freeze being portrayed by the cold, unfeeling and inhuman Terminator, or Ivy as a deceptively deadly seductress. The problem is they were portrayed as campy and over-the-top, because that was the vibe the filmmakers decided to go for.
If the movie takes the villains seriously, so will the audience. Same goes for the superscience and magical hoodoo.
I suspect that the Thor and Green Lantern movies are going to be something of a litmus test to see if Hollywood can pull off some of those elements convincingly. If so... who knows? We might actually see Bale as Batman in a Justice League movie down the line.
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I think Metropolis was briefly mentioned in Batman Forever, but it's a good point. And I agree, superpowered villains and more fantastical elements can indeed work in comic book movies. It just depends on presentation. With a different script and director, even Arnold and Uma's Freeze and Ivy probably could have worked. I can easily picture Mr. Freeze being portrayed by the cold, unfeeling and inhuman Terminator, or Ivy as a deceptively deadly seductress. The problem is they were portrayed as campy and over-the-top, because that was the vibe the filmmakers decided to go for.
If the movie takes the villains seriously, so will the audience. Same goes for the superscience and magical hoodoo. I suspect that the Thor and Green Lantern movies are going to be something of a litmus test to see if Hollywood can pull off some of those elements convincingly. If so... who knows? We might actually see Bale as Batman in a Justice League movie down the line. |
In 'Batman and Robin' Batman says "This is why Superman works alone."
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I think one of the problems has been that until recently the technology just hasn't been there to do good looking special effects for superpowers. Just look at Spider-Man's webs from the 70's live action show for a good example. Then you add in that the budget isn't there to do lots of special effects, especially when it comes to live action TV shows, and its easy to understand why until recently superhero movies and TV shows have tended to focus on characters that are either unpowered or have easy to do superpowers like flight, superstrength, etc. Obviously the SFX technology is starting to reach the necessary level, it just needs to come down in price.
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Spider-Man's webs from the 70's TV show look suspiciously like 3/8" nylon rope.
Still I'm of the opinion that if the special effect can be done with practical with a bit of digital touchup Vs total CGI, practical looks better.
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