Fact A: It's no more work to make a new zone than to revamp an old one.
Fact B: The devs would rather have one good zone and one decent one than one good one.
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Fact A: Praetoria aside (which is part of a paid expansion) new zones are not starter zones.|
Originally Posted by SkarmoryThePG
Fact A: It's no more work to make a new zone than to revamp an old one.
Fact B: The devs would rather have one good zone and one decent one than one good one. QED |
Fact B: David Nakayama has opened a channel for revamping the art of old zones that's linked in my signature.
Fact C: Blueside is supposed to be done in an Art Deco building style... But that's very hard to tell because of limited graphics at the time and using a 'grid' system to design the city, resulting in random parks that are smaller than my back yard without even benches and buildings being copy and pasted blocks.
Fact D: Redside attempted to make more 'unique' looking buildings by meshing two different buildings together, resulting in wasted polygons players will never actually see, but still putting a heavier load on systems and servers compared to Praetoria.
Opinion A: Devs should look at their own dispute between Neuron (always making new and shiney and moving onto the next 'big thing') and Anti-Matter (takes time to improve old stuff, maintains the city) and THEN say "we want to just keep making more new stuff."
Opinion B: To paraphrase Technot Alpha: "Revamped old content IS new content in it's own right."
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Originally Posted by SkarmoryThePG
Fact A: It's no more work to make a new zone than to revamp an old one.
Fact B: The devs would rather have one good zone and one decent one than one good one. QED |
Personally I'd rather have them adding new zones to fill in the gaps between factions (like zones for levels 20-50 goldside) than waste it on revamping old zones.
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Well, they could revamp Boomtown as a 20-30 zone with normal content as well as Praetorian content - it could be an area where the loyalist invasion force had set up a forward base - like they might be interested in trying to recover the tech used in the old Freedom Phalanx base there, where Reichsman was kept for so long - they might find it useful for dealing with all the new Incarnates running around on Primal Earth.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
This.
Personally I'd rather have them adding new zones to fill in the gaps between factions (like zones for levels 20-50 goldside) than waste it on revamping old zones. |
In the new Maria Jenkins arc, Tyrant's lava lair is linked to the Praetorian Well of the Furies, and is the only place an Incarnate can be kept prisoner - but on Primal Earth, Reichsman seems to have been held prisoner just with some kind of tech, so getting hold of that could be one of Tyrant's war aims once he finds the War Walkers aren't as effective as he thought they'd be.
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Originally Posted by SkarmoryThePG
Fact A: It's no more work to make a new zone than to revamp an old one.
Fact B: The devs would rather have one good zone and one decent one than one good one. QED |
I refuse to believe this...crap excuse every damn time I hear it.
First of all, most of the Pre-Paragon Studios content is not 'decent' by any length of the imagination. I'm currently re-writing the Atlas Park initial arcs using data on the wiki. I can feel brain cells dying while I'm doing it, they are that bad. There is no story to them, dull @ss mechanics, repetetive junk that, when compared to the new mission arcs we have, is like comparing cow shite and gold bars.
We don't need any more new zones. There are already zones sat with no content in them except for the odd totally pointless hunt or door mission.
Dark Astoria? Zone with a ton of atmosphere and a great story behind it! Anything there? Nothing!
Perez Park? A dark brooding forest whose surrounding buildings are a gang warzone for the Skulls and Hellions, while the interior is infested with all manner of villains, all with their own dark plots.
Anything there? Nothing!
Boomtown? Should really be overhauled to show the reconstruction work that is actually shown in a Villain arc, of all things, and has supposedly been going on for years now. Cool zone, excellent backstory. Any content? You guessed it; None!
So, sure, let there be one good and one decent zone. Right as soon as we start seeing anything half decent out of the dross of the old contacts! Which currently ammounts to nothing!
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Opinion A: Devs should look at their own dispute between Neuron (always making new and shiney and moving onto the next 'big thing') and Anti-Matter (takes time to improve old stuff, maintains the city) and THEN say "we want to just keep making more new stuff."
Opinion B: To paraphrase Technot Alpha: "Revamped old content IS new content in it's own right." |
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
This.
Personally I'd rather have them adding new zones to fill in the gaps between factions (like zones for levels 20-50 goldside) than waste it on revamping old zones. |
Yes, there are places new zones are appropriate. Praetoria. Villainside, just for someplace that doesn't look so run down and gives an alternate path, which is part of why I don't make new villains that often (though I'm starting them in Praetoria now.) But there are lots of old zones that need revamping, from Atlas and Galaxy getting content spruced up like they did to the hollows to Dark Astoria and Creys Folly that have no real reason to exist other than the occasional hunt mission.
Both are needed.
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Truth. And I'm honoured by the mention. You just knew it was only a matter of time before I weighed in all guns blazing on this one, eh?
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From what I understand, the dev's are interested in revamping some of the older zones.... and thats about all I can say about that....
But, the zone I'd love to see get some love first would be Dark Astoria. I feel that zone could provide some real cool arcs and Lore. Plus, i'd love to see some arcs lead to a Banished Pantheon AV.
I don't think there is a BP AV in game is there? If there is, don't think i've fought one or if I have then its been a few years and I don't remember it...
The day they decide to revamp blueside is the day I actually start making new heroes again.
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Adamastor sure likes hanging around all those BP in Moth Cemetary in Dark Astoria. He is a BP GM though. Is that what you meant?
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Originally Posted by Demondante
I don't think there is a BP AV in game is there? If there is, don't think i've fought one or if I have then its been a few years and I don't remember it...
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No, was thinking something along the lines of an actual AV, not a GM. I would like to see one for the banished.
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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I know not everyone would really care for this to much and with whats going on right now with all the incarnate stuff I could see something like this not happening for a while, if ever. Especially with everyone wanting more high level content.
But, I would love to see an update to some old zones, that in my opinion don't get traveled to very much because of the lack of content and support in those zones. Dark Astoria, Eden, Creys Folly, Boomtown are all examples of zones I would love to see get some love.
I know it can be done, Faultline is a perfect example. Used to hate going in there before the change and never really needed to except for some random mission errand that made me go there. But when it was changed it got half a town with some markets, trainer, etc... and on top of that it has some great story arcs that give a lot of history on Faultline and give great xp.
Whenever I level a toon I always run the Faultline arcs now, I love'm and there great experience for leveling.
I know the zones I listed earlier are hazard zones and maybe the dev's wish to keep them the way there are for all intent and purposes, but I think myself and plenty others would like to see these zones updated somewhat and filled with some good updated arcs.
Actually, right after writing this, I just got a great idea. One thing that might make it easier on the Devs, would be to have a contest and have the players create arcs for these zones using the AE. The players would have to use the Lore that is present in game to make an arc that would stay in line with the lore and level of that zone.
The winners would get something cool, maybe a badge and something else, and there story arcs would be put into the actual zones to be used. I thought this might help the Devs out a little while maybe making it fun for everyone else.