Haven't been really paying attention to beta.
Really dislike the concept of the salvage only dropping from certain task forces. Encourages/forces farming of those exact ones; prefer random chance/drop tables in order to encourage people to do, well, whatever they want for fun instead of being "forced" to run a certain one.
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From what I understood there were ways to get around the required TFs, possibly involving Incarnate shards?
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I think you can get it from any level 50 mobs, but those TFs will give you a guaranteed bit of salvage. Not sure if that salvage can drop anywhere, or just in those TFs (or how much salvage type, other than rarity, matters).
I'm debating what to shoot for with some of my guys. If you're already at the def cap or have your resistance (or damage) at the ED cap, will it help much to keep boosting those? I'd have to look at the overall numbers to know.
With tougher content, I would guess all the defense and resist more a Tanker (or whatever AT) can get will help. Hopefully Mid's has a good way of displaying this, as it's always easiest for me to tell with this when I look at the overall numbers.
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In the GR beta, I think it was granted at the end of the TF. You could also get drops of common "Incarnate Shard" salvage, which could be turned into the uncommon salvage that the Boosts were crafted out of. This common salvage would supposedly drop for anyone with their Alpha Slot unlocked at random when doing any level 50 content.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
I think you can get it from any level 50 mobs, but those TFs will give you a guaranteed bit of salvage. Not sure if that salvage can drop anywhere, or just in those TFs (or how much salvage type, other than rarity, matters).
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I just saw another thread where GG was saying that it took 3 pieces of uncommon Incarnate salvage to create a common Boost, and 4 pieces of common Incarnate salvage to create a piece of uncommon Incarnate salvage... but I honestly don't remember the numbers that well from the second-hand reports I read 4 months ago.
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From what I've seen the number of shards required to build an uncommon boost is ridiculous. I can only imagine what Rare and Very Rare would require.
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I just saw another thread where GG was saying that it took 3 pieces of uncommon Incarnate salvage to create a common Boost, and 4 pieces of common Incarnate salvage to create a piece of uncommon Incarnate salvage... but I honestly don't remember the numbers that well from the second-hand reports I read 4 months ago.
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those numbers were in the old i18 Incarnate overview thread... but I lost my link to it :[
The only thing I really remember was that crafting the rares took a whole bunch, but you can use vanguard merits to heavily decrease the amount of salvage pieces required.
found it! took forever >:[
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Yeah, V-merits bring the cost of uncommons down to 24 shards... that's still crazy. Slotting out a Rare or Very Rare boost sounds like it will be an insane grind.
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Eh. That might or might not change with this, but the cost makes sense. The boost is significant, and therefore the cost should be as well.
If this system were something you could easily bankroll all your alts into, it's not precisely epic or powerful feeling. Sure, plenty of people are going to get there eventually, and some people are going to farm and grind or whatever for this, but it should be something you have to work at.
The main concern is if you can have enough fun things to do with this. Looks like you can run a lot of decent TFs to get the salvage, plus tips, plus story arcs that we have, etc. It's not like we have to grind all of 1-2 encounters over and over to do this. So no need to grind for any of this, MG. Just have fun running good content when you feel like it.
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What arc gives Incarnate salvage, GP? From what I can tell, it's the listed TF/SFs and V-merits for the G'rai Matter. Unless you're referring to shards which can drop from any lvl 50 or above mob. I don't know the rarity of that, but if I have to do 1,000 lvl 50 arcs, even if I do many different ones, that sounds like a grind to me.
I understand that the power level these boosts grant is so far outside the norm that the devs have to build in a time sink; I just wish it was more elegant, is all. Continuously running TFs/SFs/Trials is pretty much what people do with their 50s now, for inf and purple drops. They're just further incentivizing this activity.
I do like that we have two new Task Forces for those who have unlocked the Alpha Slot.
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So......what is in your silly little head that wouldn't be "grindy" for something like this?
There can't be endless "high level content" that will satisfy everyone. You're going to have to repeat something at some point; that's the entire premise of games like this.
They are certainly adding (more) reason to continue to play "finished" characters. I think the alignment merit stuff was a good change to give reason to play 50s (at least for me), and this is adding on top of it. And it will lead to more "high level only" content in the very near future, which just augments their focus change.
As for rarity, I can't imagine it being any different than other drops/rewards.
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So......what is in your silly little head that wouldn't be "grindy" for something like this?
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CoX has the advantage of having a more flexible character system to start in terms of choices of powers and how you enhance them. I just wish the devs could come up with something better than the same ol', same ol'.
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So you're saying "I don't like this system. I want something different. No I have no idea whatsoever what would be better. But fix it! Make it better!"? 
I don't think this industry can do something truly revolutionaryly new...yet.
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It's less of a cry of "Fix it!" and more of an expression of disappointment of how things are turning out. They have 9 more slots to knock our socks off with, however, so let's hope they have something amazing brewing for I20.
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So you're saying "I don't like this system. I want something different. No I have no idea whatsoever what would be better. But fix it! Make it better!"?
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Mental, from what I have read, the regular salvage can drop from any mob in the 50 range. So this really is casual friendly and you don't have to worry about this being "grindy." Unless you honestly hate to play City of Heroes all of a sudden, and then I'd be confused why you even care about some new end game content for CoH. |
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What arc gives Incarnate salvage, GP? From what I can tell, it's the listed TF/SFs and V-merits for the G'rai Matter. Unless you're referring to shards which can drop from any lvl 50 or above mob. I don't know the rarity of that, but if I have to do 1,000 lvl 50 arcs, even if I do many different ones, that sounds like a grind to me.
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I understand that the power level these boosts grant is so far outside the norm that the devs have to build in a time sink; I just wish it was more elegant, is all. Continuously running TFs/SFs/Trials is pretty much what people do with their 50s now, for inf and purple drops. They're just further incentivizing this activity. I do like that we have two new Task Forces for those who have unlocked the Alpha Slot. |
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It all depends on the drop rate. If shard drops are in the purple range (fairly certain they are not, but it illustrates a point), then it is in no way casual friendly, as you'd need to log 50 (hypothetical) hours to get enough shards to do anything. If they were that rare, then people would definitely stick to the TF method to get their salvage.|
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Mental, from what I have read, the regular salvage can drop from any mob in the 50 range. So this really is casual friendly and you don't have to worry about this being "grindy."
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Even at a more reasonable drop rate, you need 32 shards to make an Uncommon boost. Let's say it's 64 for a Rare, and 98 for a Very Rare. You don't see the problem?
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To go along with that, Ocho posted that not all the Alpha boosts will be in I19
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Yeah, I saw this developing in the Beta forums. On the one hand I feel it's a little bit of a gyp, but on the other I won't have to grind 4,892 shards to build Rares or Very Rares.
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To go along with that, Ocho posted that not all the Alpha boosts will be in I19
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From what I've seen the number of shards required to build an uncommon boost is ridiculous. I can only imagine what Rare and Very Rare would require.
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Ridiculous? hardly. one weekend of average play (a few hours saturday and sunday) got me enough.
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That's good to hear! 32 sounds like a lot, but if the drop rate is reasonable enough, then it's not so bad.
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Ridiculous? hardly. one weekend of average play (a few hours saturday and sunday) got me enough.
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That's good to hear! 32 sounds like a lot, but if the drop rate is reasonable enough, then it's not so bad.
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Now all we get is wishy-washy Mental
Hmmm I take that back. Now all we get is wishy-washy with a hint of "dooom" and "I don't like that!"
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Just taking a look at some of the Alpha Slot charts. So, as you go up the ladder, more of your global bonus is unaffected by ED... up to 1/2 and 2/3! That's crazy.
Now I'm wondering what the next nine Incarnate slots hold...
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