Sell me a Stalker


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Ok, not literally, but the Stalker AT is the only one I haven't really played by now. I rolled one up way back when CoV was new, but I failed so hard at it I abandoned the AT. I have a project that involves creating one of each AT on a chosen server and Stalkers are my last piece to the puzzle.

So, convince me to roll up a particular Stalker. I'm liking the look of Ninjitsu, probably because it is unique to Stalkers, but I'm willing to consider anything. I'm especially looking for something iconic, something Stalker-y (as opposed to Poached Scrapper). I have this idea of a warrior-assassin who takes out a target, then eliminates witnesses. One who is capable of merely wading into combat and emerging victorious, but is wise enough to engage on his terms, not his opponent's.

I'm not a min/maxer, but I don't like dying faster than Rest recharges. So, I come with questions:

  • I've seen comments to the effect that Kin Melee works best on Stalkers (versus other versions), is this true? Why?
  • Is it better to really focus on the single-target nature of the AT, or do the sets with AoE (esp. Elec/ and Spines/) just leave others in the dust?
  • Does Willpower really work well on Stalkers? I was somewhat unimpressed by WP's numbers.
  • Is it better for a mitigation set to focus on Resist, or Defense?

I'm not really into complicated IO builds, I mostly frankenslot with level 30ish IOs plus a few specials as I feel necessary (-kb, 3% +Def, whatever). So, assume slightly better than SO-level performance. No builds necessary, but tips concerning your suggested combos' synergy and tactics would be most appreciated.


Thanks, everyone.


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I am a big big fan of /nin. Caltrops is amazing mitigation, also, very fun.

As to attacks... I have been doing kin/nin, and I really, really, like the effect on the set of eventually getting an AoE, because without it life is pain. YMMV.


 

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Originally Posted by AllYourBase View Post
Ok, not literally, but the Stalker AT is the only one I haven't really played by now. I rolled one up way back when CoV was new, but I failed so hard at it I abandoned the AT. I have a project that involves creating one of each AT on a chosen server and Stalkers are my last piece to the puzzle.

So, convince me to roll up a particular Stalker. I'm liking the look of Ninjitsu, probably because it is unique to Stalkers, but I'm willing to consider anything. I'm especially looking for something iconic, something Stalker-y (as opposed to Poached Scrapper). I have this idea of a warrior-assassin who takes out a target, then eliminates witnesses. One who is capable of merely wading into combat and emerging victorious, but is wise enough to engage on his terms, not his opponent's.

I'm not a min/maxer, but I don't like dying faster than Rest recharges. So, I come with questions:
  • I've seen comments to the effect that Kin Melee works best on Stalkers (versus other versions), is this true? Why?
  • Is it better to really focus on the single-target nature of the AT, or do the sets with AoE (esp. Elec/ and Spines/) just leave others in the dust?
  • Does Willpower really work well on Stalkers? I was somewhat unimpressed by WP's numbers.
  • Is it better for a mitigation set to focus on Resist, or Defense?

I'm not really into complicated IO builds, I mostly frankenslot with level 30ish IOs plus a few specials as I feel necessary (-kb, 3% +Def, whatever). So, assume slightly better than SO-level performance. No builds necessary, but tips concerning your suggested combos' synergy and tactics would be most appreciated.


Thanks, everyone.
Sounds like you want to go with /Ninjitsu.

WP does work well on Stalkers, but I also slotted up defense on my stalker.

They can't take hits like a scrapper, the hitpoints just arent there.

AOE is good. Kin Melee's PBAOE is great for the KD imo.

To play a Stalker, you're going to have to do some scrapping. Tanks, Brutes, Scrappers, Stalkers...they're melee...to play melee you need to hit things, so why you don't think you wouldn't I don't understand.

If you play the hit and run style, teams won't like it, and you're likely to get bored of it.

This could mean just running to the end of missions you can run to the end of, and ASing one, then scrapping it out with the rest of the room. But some sort of melee fighting will happen

My suggestion...Kin/Ninja...it's probably what you're looking for.


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Dark melee/ ninjutsu is always a classic. The two sets compliment each other nicely.

Kinetic melee isn't bad, I have a 50 kin/DA stalker and there are some unique mechanics specific to that set. One is that the T9 has a chance to instantly recharge BU (and it doesn't crit...). The other is that its AE attack, burst, has a 100% crit from hide, where all other stalker AEs only crit 50% from hide. Also, DA's stun aura stacks well with the stuns of KM to keep bosses in line.

Elec/ is a beast on stalkers because lightning rod is a pet... and thus won't break your hidden status. BU + LR + TS crit on the biggest baddie, if he's still standing placate + assassinate. It's IMO the best stalker set, but I personally just prefer AE toons.

And defense sets > resistance sets for the most part, that seems to be the consensus. But as easy as it can be to add defense to a resistance set (or regeneration... I have multiple S/L capped toons and even an /elec that is capped to S/L/E/N) I have always held that the resistance sets have more value in the long run (as in "I'm gonna IO this set to the gills").


 

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To play a Stalker, you're going to have to do some scrapping. Tanks, Brutes, Scrappers, Stalkers...they're melee...to play melee you need to hit things, so why you don't think you wouldn't I don't understand.

If you play the hit and run style, teams won't like it, and you're likely to get bored of it.
No, not hit and run. I was thinking of the opposite of scrapperlock: Instead of blindly charging in head first, trying to survive, and devastating the group; using stealth and misdirection to tip the tactical scale to your advantage, then devastating the group, but with minimal damage taken.

This would probably boil down to using AS to take out a key enemy at the start of the fight (Engineer, sapper, etc.), then just fighting until everything else is dead. Or arrested.

Thanks for the tips everyone. I didn't realize Kin/ had those unique features.

I think it's between Elec/Nin and Kin/Nin now. Leaning toward Kin/ because my highest level character is an Elec/ Brute and I want a fresh experience. Must think some more.



Edit: wow! Post count 187 in a Stalker thread. Irony.


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I too have only recently turned to Stalkers and my very first one has been Kin/Nin. She's only level 20 but I'm having a blast.

Kin has some nice mitigation such as knockdown and stuns. Not only is that helpful, it also feels nice and powerful too. I like choosing my targets, selecting where to position myself in a fight. On a team, I can take out the problem mobs in seconds. Buffers/Debuffers, annoying bosses - all taken out of the fight within seconds, leaving the rest of the team to clear up the spawn without a hitch. I'm kinda amazed that teams don't value Stalkers for this role alone.

Nin is fun and has some neat tricks. I took it because it is unique to Stalkers but it works very nicely as a set as well. Even teams appreciate Caltrops and I can't wait to get Blinding Powder later on.

So good luck, Kin/Nin is fun and has helped me to appreciate Stalkers a lot.


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I'm rolling an elec/elec stalker and it's the most fun I've had with a toon in awhile. You can hit Lightning Rod while hidden and score critical hits on entire mobs, and most of the time you remain hidden since it's a bot doing the actual damage. You can then hit Thunder Strike and get more critical hits on much of the mob, and then hit Placate and Assassin's Strike on whatever boss or Lt. is still alive. Fun stuff.


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**Disclaimer - The following is a biased opinion**

Might I suggest the glorious pairing of a Ninja Blade with your Ninjitsu?

Not only does it possess the sexiest of all AS animations, but the melee defense buffing potential for DA combined with the "finesse" Golden dragonfly mini-cone results in a stalker that looks as good as it plays.

Not only that, but taking the full on way of the ninja allows for immense variation in slotting utility, running the entire gamut from simple softcapping to raw damage potential, Nin/Nin is the way to go.

But wait, there's more!

Not only will you find yourself a master of melee combat capable of evading ANY and ALL melee attacks with even simple SO slotting, but you get the choice of eleven, count them ELEVEN instruments of death as beautiful as they are deadly. From the rugged Rusted Blade to the glowing Vanguard Katana, there is sure to be a ninja blade to fit your specific character concept.

And lets face it. Ninjas are cool. You could certainly pick up a similar weapon in a scrapper set, but lets face it. Without the ability to swiftly and decisively SHOVE your instrument of death through the chest of your enemy before he can react, THRUST his best friend in the the air, CRUSH his prone form in to oblivion with a single downward stroke, and then simply WAVE the poor sap watching your ballet of death goodbye seconds before repeating the process you're just not ninja material. You're a guy that hits things with a katana.

Ever heard of "Teenage Guys Who Hit Things With Swords and are also Turtles"?
Nope.

How about the cult 80s classic "American Guy Who Hits Things With a Sword"
No. You haven't.

That's because the word you're looking for is NINJA. To strike with precision. To be without peer in single combat. To kill all of his friends to make sure you're in single combat. To speak only in riddles and DEATH. This is what Ninja Blade can give you. This is the way of the ninja.

So I encourage you. Go. Hunt. Kill EVERYTHING with the quiet grace than only Ninja Blade can deliver.


 

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[Ninja Infomercial]
Now, that's the pitch I was looking for! I have already rolled a Kin/Nin, which I am liking, but I think a Nin/Nin is also in my future. I chose Kin/Nin because both sets are new to me, and my project already includes a Katana Scrapper. For this project I am wanting to avoid duplicating sets.

Thanks for the write-up. I think I'm going to save this somewhere.


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Originally Posted by Shadestorm View Post
**Disclaimer - The following is a biased opinion**

Might I suggest the glorious pairing of a Ninja Blade with your Ninjitsu?

Not only does it possess the sexiest of all AS animations, but the melee defense buffing potential for DA combined with the "finesse" Golden dragonfly mini-cone results in a stalker that looks as good as it plays.

Not only that, but taking the full on way of the ninja allows for immense variation in slotting utility, running the entire gamut from simple softcapping to raw damage potential, Nin/Nin is the way to go.

But wait, there's more!

Not only will you find yourself a master of melee combat capable of evading ANY and ALL melee attacks with even simple SO slotting, but you get the choice of eleven, count them ELEVEN instruments of death as beautiful as they are deadly. From the rugged Rusted Blade to the glowing Vanguard Katana, there is sure to be a ninja blade to fit your specific character concept.

And lets face it. Ninjas are cool. You could certainly pick up a similar weapon in a scrapper set, but lets face it. Without the ability to swiftly and decisively SHOVE your instrument of death through the chest of your enemy before he can react, THRUST his best friend in the the air, CRUSH his prone form in to oblivion with a single downward stroke, and then simply WAVE the poor sap watching your ballet of death goodbye seconds before repeating the process you're just not ninja material. You're a guy that hits things with a katana.

Ever heard of "Teenage Guys Who Hit Things With Swords and are also Turtles"?
Nope.

How about the cult 80s classic "American Guy Who Hits Things With a Sword"
No. You haven't.

That's because the word you're looking for is NINJA. To strike with precision. To be without peer in single combat. To kill all of his friends to make sure you're in single combat. To speak only in riddles and DEATH. This is what Ninja Blade can give you. This is the way of the ninja.

So I encourage you. Go. Hunt. Kill EVERYTHING with the quiet grace than only Ninja Blade can deliver.
Ever heard of "Teenage Boy Who Hits Things With Powerful Energy Blasts?"
No. You haven't.

That's because he's a ninja! And he doesn't need a sword! He has his Rasengan! \o/


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The BrandX Collection

 

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Originally Posted by Shadestorm View Post
**Disclaimer - The following is a biased opinion**

Might I suggest the glorious pairing of a Ninja Blade with your Ninjitsu?

Not only does it possess the sexiest of all AS animations,
... well, nearly.

I still think the Dual Blades AS is just so viciously *perfect* as an AS. *Jab* "And these... *rip out* were your kidneys."

Just not driven to play the rest of the set as a stalker, right offhand.


 

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Originally Posted by AllYourBase View Post
I've seen comments to the effect that Kin Melee works best on Stalkers (versus other versions), is this true? Why?
-No Power Siphon (some people *handraise* don't like it)
-No Repulsing Torrent
-Guaranteed crit from hide on Burst.


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