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Discussion: Presenting the Apex Task Force Trailer!

2short2care

By 2short2care,
Posted on: 2010-10-12 15:00 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion

 

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
You do know that the Tin Mage TF is inlcuded for free in the same Issue as the also-free Apex TF, don't you?
If you have GR it is.

 

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And who doesn't?
I got it, so I'm not worried. I bet you'd be surprised how many don't though, at least some of the people I've seen on here anyway.

 

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Originally Posted by GMan3 View Post
Was the Trailer called "The Apex and Tin Mage Task Forces"? No. It was shown to us as "The Apex Task Force". Never a mention of Tin Mage anywhere in there. The fact that both TF's are in the new Issue is irrelevant. They made an "advertising" mistake here. Liking one part of one TF and putting it in the trailer for the other TF because you think it looks so good it dishonest.
Dishonest? Who excatly are they trying to trick, and for what reason?

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You do know that the Tin Mage TF is inlcuded for free in the same Issue as the also-free Apex TF, don't you?
Sorry GG, reposting this since they both fit together so well.

Was the Trailer called "The Apex and Tin Mage Task Forces"? No. It was shown to us as "The Apex Task Force". Never a mention of Tin Mage anywhere in there. The fact that both TF's are in the new Issue is irrelevant. They made an "advertising" mistake here. Liking one part of one TF and putting it in the trailer for the other TF because you think it looks so good is dishonest.

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I got it, so I'm not worried. I bet you'd be surprised how many don't though, at least some of the people I've seen on here anyway.
I have met several myself that do not have GR yet. To be hionest it really surprises me when people say they haven't bought it yet. Most of them are waiting to see what is coming next though before they make the purchase.

 

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So how are they being dishonest when they went out of their way to point out that that shot was from the Tin Mage TF?
And you still haven't said why they'd try tricking anyone either - or what purposed it'd have.

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So how are they being dishonest when they went out of their way to point out that that shot was from the Tin Mage TF?
And you still haven't said why they'd try tricking anyone either - or what purposed it'd have.
They did? Where? At the M&G? At the NYCC Panel? Not even close to good enough. I am sorry, but I and tens of thousands of others could NOT make it to those. I can't even find it on YouTube and normally I can find things pretty well there (would love a link if anyone has found it). Even if I could though, this is supposedly the OFFICIAL website for the game. The info here should be clear, concise, and ACCURATE. I expect a little salesmanship inflation, I do not expect dishonesty.

As for why they did it? I have no idea why people make bad decisions. Happens all the time though.

Oh and we just lost another possible convert to this game. I was showing it off to him the other day when this trailer came out. He wanted to see it and said it looked awesome. Then he wanted to see the forum chatter on it (at which point I cringed because I had not looked at it yet). The one post pointing out that dishonesty dissuaded him from joining. It seems the last two MMO's he played did the same kind of crap and he didn't like it. He also didn't like how people couldn't have simple disagreements in the forums without all the rage, but that is a different subject all together and I won't go into it here.

 

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They did? Where? At the M&G? At the NYCC Panel? Not even close to good enough. I am sorry, but I and tens of thousands of others could NOT make it to those. I can't even find it on YouTube and normally I can find things pretty well there (would love a link if anyone has found it). Even if I could though, this is supposedly the OFFICIAL website for the game. The info here should be clear, concise, and ACCURATE. I expect a little salesmanship inflation, I do not expect dishonesty.

As for why they did it? I have no idea why people make bad decisions. Happens all the time though.

Oh and we just lost another possible convert to this game. I was showing it off to him the other day when this trailer came out. He wanted to see it and said it looked awesome. Then he wanted to see the forum chatter on it (at which point I cringed because I had not looked at it yet). The one post pointing out that dishonesty dissuaded him from joining. It seems the last two MMO's he played did the same kind of crap and he didn't like it. He also didn't like how people couldn't have simple disagreements in the forums without all the rage, but that is a different subject all together and I won't go into it here.


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They did? Where? At the M&G? At the NYCC Panel? Not even close to good enough. I am sorry, but I and tens of thousands of others could NOT make it to those. I can't even find it on YouTube and normally I can find things pretty well there (would love a link if anyone has found it). Even if I could though, this is supposedly the OFFICIAL website for the game. The info here should be clear, concise, and ACCURATE. I expect a little salesmanship inflation, I do not expect dishonesty.

As for why they did it? I have no idea why people make bad decisions. Happens all the time though.
Well, as there's no dishonesty going on, that would explain why there's no reason for it

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Oh and we just lost another possible convert to this game. I was showing it off to him the other day when this trailer came out. He wanted to see it and said it looked awesome. Then he wanted to see the forum chatter on it (at which point I cringed because I had not looked at it yet). The one post pointing out that dishonesty dissuaded him from joining. It seems the last two MMO's he played did the same kind of crap and he didn't like it. He also didn't like how people couldn't have simple disagreements in the forums without all the rage, but that is a different subject all together and I won't go into it here.
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Well, as there's no dishonesty going on, that would explain why there's no reason for it
Wow Ms. Golden Girl. I am kinda surprised here. I mean, from your other posts you are a college student. I am fourteen and even I could see the dishonesty there. Putting out a trailer for a task force, that has a scene shown in it that is not in the task force, is a lie. No two ways about it. Granted, I wasn't as upset about it as Mr. GMan3 is, but that is probably at least partially because his friend was so upset. I know I would be more than a little embarrassed if the same thing happened to me.

 

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Wow Ms. Golden Girl. I am kinda surprised here. I mean, from your other posts you are a college student. I am fourteen and even I could see the dishonesty there. Putting out a trailer for a task force, that has a scene shown in it that is not in the task force, is a lie. No two ways about it. Granted, I wasn't as upset about it as Mr. GMan3 is, but that is probably at least partially because his friend was so upset. I know I would be more than a little embarrassed if the same thing happened to me.
So, as he was unable to give an answer, perhaps you can tell us what their reason for "lying" might be?
Or maybe you could also also point out the "trick" at the start fo the trailer, where Tyrant is shown giving his troops a pep talk, which not only doesn't appear in the Apex TF, it doesn't even appear in the game at all.

You might also like to watch the Going Rogue launch trailer, and spot just how many "lies" are in it too:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ncsoftno.../2/7l6ZsENF23Y

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So, as he was unable to give an answer, perhaps you can tell us what their reason for "lying" might be?
OK, you want my answer as to why they would lie? Let me put my telepathy hat on so I can read their minds . . . hold on . . . getting something . . . almost there . . . nope, just a headache.

Seriously, you actually expect me to know what they were thinking? That is just foolish GG. I can't even begin to know why you are defending a lie, let alone why they lied. Let me restate my problem - that clip is not in the TF, it is in another TF, that makes it a lie. I think most people will agree that the beginning cut scene is not an outright lie, more of a salesmanship stretch. To be honest GG, you do yourself no favors by just pointing out more things that could be considered lies.

There is ONE possible explanation I can think of, it is advertising on their website and that particular part of the clip does look AWESOME. I have often even seen trailers made by Paragon Studios in reviews and such on other websites, so further advertising there. I can't say that is why they did it though since I neither work there, nor can I read minds.

 

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OK, you want my answer as to why they would lie? Let me put my telepathy hat on so I can read their minds . . . hold on . . . getting something . . . almost there . . . nope, just a headache.

Seriously, you actually expect me to know what they were thinking?
When you're accusing them of "dishonesty", I'm assuming that you must have a reason for it, unless it's simply gibbering paranoia.

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That is just foolish GG. I can't even begin to know why you are defending a lie. Let me restate my problem - that clip is not in the TF, it is in another TF, that makes it a lie.
Just like the shot of Tyrant talking to his troops, which isn't even in the game at all?

And here's the GR launch trailer again:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ncsoftno.../2/7l6ZsENF23Y

Just look at how many "lies" are in that - things that don't appear anywhere in the agme at all - and none of them seemed to cause the same anger at the cross-splice.

@Golden Girl

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Telling a lie or financial shortcut?

Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.

 

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When you're accusing them of "dishonesty", I'm assuming that you must have a reason for it, unless it's simply gibbering paranoia.
Nope, no paranoia, I just don't like being lied to. Funny, but most people have a problem with that. Nice personal attack though, I will give you that.

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Just like the shot of Tyrant talking to his troops, which isn't even in the game at all?
You mean you would prefer the standard TF opening? A window with a lot of written storyline? Would have looked real good at the opening of the trailer, don't you think? I pretty much figured that was a gimmick to cover up one of the shortcomings of this game.

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And here's the GR launch trailer again:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ncsoftno.../2/7l6ZsENF23Y

Just look at how many "lies" are in that - things that don't appear anywhere in the agme at all - and none of them seemed to cause the same squealing fake-rage as the shot of the Praetorian portal in the Apex TF trailer.
Last I knew I was talking about the Apex Task Force Trailer. If you want to discuss other things then start a different thread and I'll be happy too.

 

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Nope, no paranoia, I just don't like being lied to.
So you're ok to be shown the "lie" of Tyrant talking to his minions, which never appears in the game, but you're shrieking about "dishonesty" for a shot of something that does appear in the game?

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You mean you would prefer the standard TF opening? A window with a lot of written storyline? Would have looked real good at the opening of the trailer, don't you think?
No worse than having a text window talking about a portal to Primal Earth rather than showing one.
First you say it's ok to use game assets to show Tyrant preparing to invade, then you say it's wrong to use game assets to show one of the invasion portals

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Last I knew I was talking about the Apex Task Force Trailer. If you want to discuss other things then start a different thread and I'll be happy too.
They're the same subject - the GR trailer uses stuff that doesn't happen in GR, just like the Apex TF trailer uses stuff that doens't happen in the TF.

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GG, your logic completely escapes me. I'm not going to bother responding any further other than to say one thing. It appears you simply can not handle anyone criticizing this game in any way. I feel sorry for you.

 

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Well, you have kinda run out of options.
Or he was mature enough to move on since you refuse to step out of the fan box Ms. Golden Girl. I don't fell the same way Mr GMan3 does about the clip but at least he didn't start the personal attacks, you did. Surest sign you lost is when you had to resort to that.

 

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Or he was mature enough to move on since you refuse to step out of the fan box Ms. Golden Girl.
He was called out on his rather shallow efforts, and beat a hasty retreat - logic can have that effect on certain types

If using game assets to show Tyrant talking to his troops is ok to make the trailer more dramatic, then using game assets to show a portal to Primal Earth to make the trailer more dramatic is also ok - or else, they're both equally "dishonest" - one can't be good and the other bad, because they're exactly the same thing being used for exactly the same purpose.

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He was called out on his rather shallow efforts, and beat a hasty retreat - logic can have that effect on certain types

If using game assets to show Tyrant talking to his troops is ok to make the trailer more dramatic, then using game assets to show a portal to Primal Earth to make the trailer more dramatic is also ok - or else, they're both equally "dishonest" - one can't be good and the other bad, because they're exactly the same thing being used for exactly the same purpose.
Whip up fake outrage? Funny, I did NOT see that Ma'am. He made a statement and then further explained it to one other person who commented. Then you appear try to whip up some false image of what he is saying. He was reasonable, you started the personal attacks. You lost.

At this point I think I will walk away as well. You are just not being reasonable here and that is not good for this forum or this game.

 

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It's perfectly reasonable to wonder how someone could be "outraged" about a shot in the trailer using game assets to show a portal to Primal Earth, and call it "dishonest", and then say that using game assets to show Tyrant preparing for the invasion was ok, when it's exactly the same thing being used for exactly the same purpose - game assets being used to make the trailer more dramatic.

The Apex TF trailer - like lots of others trailers Paragon Studios has done - uses game assets to enhance the drama and excitement of the story they're showing - no one is being "lied" to or "cheated" or "wronged" in any way.

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Didn't Iron Man 2, what I thought was a really great superhero movie, have some scenes that where in trailers (The 'kiss the helmet' scene is the one I'm thinking of) but weren't in the theater release? Is this also 'dishonesty'? Well, I guess if you went into the theater REALLY REALLY wanting to see that scene, It could be disappointing, but...

Unless you're absolutely hardcore with 'I Will only play heroes, ever heroes, never go Vigilante or ever go to the isles' (Or the reverse, I guess) then you get both TFs with the free update. Yes, I guess you can say that having stuff that's not in the TF in the trailer is 'dishonest', but I have to say that it's not that big of a deal.

 

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It appears you simply can not handle anyone criticizing this game in any way.
...What?

Normally, I wouldn't like to step into a conversation I wasn't apart of to begin with but, ... really? It seems this whole thing was kind of blown out of proportion. I mean, it's a trailer for a game ... calm down!

There is a scene in the trailer that is part of the "other" TF we are ALSO getting the SAME issue for FREE, and you are still upset because it wasn't in a trailer for its own TF? ... really? I personally don't see what the problem is. Think of it as a "Counterpart sneak peak" if it's THAT important. I mean, how was ANY of that a "criticism"? It seemed, if anything, like a trollish nitpick.

Ohnoz! This trailer for the game that I play has scenes from another Task Force that I am also getting for free ... but the title said I was only going to see ONE of these said Task Forces! I am SO angry right now!! Grrrr! *punches wall*

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*looks back at some of her own videos for the game and winces*

Okay, note to self - don't do this.

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