Glee (10/05/10): "Grilled Cheesus"


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Our Father, who art in trans fats...


Episode 203 of Glee will deal with the various characters' relationships with religion. The whole ordeal kicks off when Finn believes he sees the face of Jesus in his grilled cheese sandwich.

WARNING: I would advise skipping spoilers on this one. During my typical googlin', I've seen hints that something big happens this episode. This was more or less confirmed by one of the songs that I saw on the list.

Anyway, see you all tonight!


 

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If X happens to Y, I will be so Z!


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If X happens to Y, I will be so Z!
I know how you feel!

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Based on the previews (which pissed off my sister when we watched them), I would be utterly shocked if they followed through with it.

I mean, we have had discussion over this character and what he/she means.


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From the sounds of it, Glee seems to constantly have a problem with giving away too much in its previews?

Your comments sound intriguing, I definitely can't miss this episode.


 

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I wish I could shrink that image into a decent avatar. It's easily my favorite picture of '10.


 

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Title reminded me of this album.


 

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"Grilled Cheesus" aka "Chris Colfer's Emmy Reel"


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Just finished it, and I think it was one of the better episodes of the whole series. I don't get emotional at anything, and this episode brought a bit of tears to my eyes.

And Im glad that they didnt fall into "over the top of the week" territory that someone predicted might happen last week.

really good, 9 out of 10

And I loved Kurts rendition of "I Wanna Hold Your Hand"

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"Grilled Cheesus" aka "Chris Colfer's Emmy Reel"
oh absolutely


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I agree, this was a very good episode. Im going to say the Best Episode of the Season (so far)! The mix of music was great as I'm a fan of the Beatles and REM, a little Billy Joel didnt hurt since i was watching with a group of friends on Long Island.

I like episodes that really show the differences between the Glee kids and shows off their individualties not only in their song choices but in the dialogue and actions too. Kurt's look at the "coming out" moment in the beginning was priceless.

(They even snuck in a moment with Emma and Shue while waiting at the hospital but yet, they didnt make a big thing of it which was great imho!)

You know, i'm going to put down and say that the better episodes are always the ones that give the reality beyond the reality tv that is high school. A thats story written to be 'acted' not 'played' because it gives a lot of character choices and motivations and showed a lot of "under-the-surface" subtext. Heh, in other words: character development. But given the true dynamic duo of Kurt and Burt was the main vein of the story i'm not surprised.


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Just got through watching it with the family and thought it was brilliant!

Great way to handle a dodgy subject that always polarizes opinions but loved that they didn't just wuss out and have everyone agreeing with with everyone else like a lot of other shows do, this one actually tackled the subject with class.

Also, if Kurt doesn't win the Emmy next year, I'll be very shocked!


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A brilliant episode. Didn't say which beliefs were "Right" or "Wrong", but instead focused on the trade-offs of each belief. The confusion and uncomfortable set of questions that come with believing in God. The alienation from a religious society when you don't. I think it was brilliant that Emma was intent on telling Sue the importance of believing in God, but she then went on to tell Finn he was "believing wrong".

Chris Colfer's an absolute genius. His relationship with his dad is one of the greatest things on the series.

The only thing that stuck in my craw was that Kurt was holding the concept of religion accountable for the alienation he felt for being gay. Not all faiths consider being queer something condemnable. I'm sure he could have found a church or group that would have made him feel welcome. Then again, I don't blame him for not.

One of my favorite moments was when Finn eats the sandwich. Like acids and bases, this silly moment combined with the previous silliness of Grilled Cheesus and somehow made a rather powerful moment. Combine that with the implication that Finn has greater empathy for Kurt after finding out he was "believing wrong", and you have a great arc to which I can personally relate.

The only controversy I've heard from this episode is that some people thought it was too boring, while others thought it was too depressing.

Overall, this was phenomenal. Best episode of the season. One of the best episodes of the series.


 

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So yeah, when I saw the preview with Burt in the coma and my sister said "Wait, they are killing him off?" I said no way, they just made him a regular! And sure enough, he woke up at the end. So yay!


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Ryan Murphy said this in an interview with E! last month:

"The core of the show is really about tolerance," Murphy explains. "I think that's the legacy of Glee more than anything else. So as we began the year we were very conscious of that. Last year the throughline was about teenage pregnancy. And the throughline this year is really about Kurt and his feelings about tolerance, not only in high school and in the world, but also the ripple effect it has on everybody around him."


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Ryan Murphy said this in an interview with E! last month:

"The core of the show is really about tolerance," Murphy explains. "I think that's the legacy of Glee more than anything else. So as we began the year we were very conscious of that. Last year the throughline was about teenage pregnancy. And the throughline this year is really about Kurt and his feelings about tolerance, not only in high school and in the world, but also the ripple effect it has on everybody around him."
Which begs the question: Why does he keep insisting Kurt is a supporting character?

Also: Why do they refer to Kurt as a supporting character and Brittany/Santa are "main"? I'm fairly certain no one doing the interviews has solidified what the words mean.


 

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My beef with this episode: why didn't Finn use his third Chessus wish to make Kurt's father better? I understand he's selfish, but damn.


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My beef with this episode: why didn't Finn use his third Chessus wish to make Kurt's father better? I understand he's selfish, but damn.
... wow. I did not think of that. In the context of the episode, you're right, that's pretty awful.

Then again, Finn's not so much selfish as he is absolutely oblivious. Plus his not doing that allowed the moment of juxtaposition with Puck, who was using his prayers for just that. The contrast highlighted some humanity in the Puckerman.

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I too was expecting Finn to use his last wish on Burt, but have that not work, and that leads to Finn "Losing His Religion" (which, of course, is NOT a song about losing one's religion)


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I too was expecting Finn to use his last wish on Burt, but have that not work, and that leads to Finn "Losing His Religion" (which, of course, is NOT a song about losing one's religion)
Also of note: Not of Finn's vocal style.

Man, that grated.


 

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To be fair, not many, if any, people can imitate Michael Stipe's style


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On Twitter and my Facebook page, I've been seeing a couple people complain that Atheism was the domain of the villains of the show and that it was portrayed inaccurately. Anyone else see it that way?


 

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The one thing I will say, and it was discussed on the AV Club's review of the episode, is that all the atheist were that way because something bad happened to them or the world was mean to them. Rather than the fact that some atheist simply, "logically" (I am not saying it one way or the other) just don't believe in God.

Kurt touched upon this with his teapot analogy, but for him, that was backtrack reasoning to feeling abandon by God after the death of his mom and the church's stance on his orientation.


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On Twitter and my Facebook page, I've been seeing a couple people complain that Atheism was the domain of the villains of the show and that it was portrayed inaccurately. Anyone else see it that way?
This isn't the sort of thing I want to start a debate on, but I do want to say something on the matter.

For much of the episode, characters were just pitying Kurt instead of trying to understand him. As if being non-religious is a barrier to either grieving or enjoying life. In a show where most religions are treated respectfully, to put such a huge spotlight on atheism only to pity it, is not respectful and automatically makes it appear to be the least worthy viewpoint.

I felt they pretty much portrayed atheism as a character fault, which is rather patronising and wrong and I found very grating. I mean, Kurt's not supposed to be a perfect ambassador for atheism but everyone else in the room is just shouting him down for voicing a different view.

I am glad Sue at least took Emma to task for that kind of attitude. In fact, that scene pretty much saved the episode for me. Sue's speech was excellent and the part about pushing your faith on a non-believer in a time of crisis, that was spot on.

As BBM said, many people become atheists for different, non-traumatic reasons. As this is a drama show though, I can forgive them taking a small sample size and only finding trauma victims in their atheism pile. Purely logical decisions rarely tug at the heart strings like that...
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Mostly, I hope Kurt's dad recovers fully. Burt is great when he's kicking *** for his son, I don't think he'll be nearly as awesome with brain damage.

EDIT: Several edits later, my hastily written response is finally readable... (sorry)