Wonder Woman Returning to Television
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Posted on: 2010-10-01 21:16 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Twilight was written by a woman.|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Well i can't speak for Twilight because i have nor seen it (although am aware of the derision aimed at it).
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| Re: WW the 70's series, you've only got to watch some of the episodes and it won't be long before you come across a cringe-worthy moment that was so ingrained in seventies filming re: the portrayal of women. Its not intentionally written so... but it was written by guys in the seventies and it just falls prey to it time after time. |
Anne Collins (12 episodes, 1977-1979)
Barbara Avedon (2 episodes, 1976)
Barbara Corday (2 episodes, 1976)
and yes I'm aware that the other 15 writers the show had over the years were guys, The point is that you can't lay the blame solely on guys.
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There's also producers, directors, marketing people, corporate execs sitting in chairs somewhere the decide the show's budget, sponsors.... |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Twilight was written by a woman.
You mean guys like Anne Collins (12 episodes, 1977-1979) Barbara Avedon (2 episodes, 1976) Barbara Corday (2 episodes, 1976) and yes I'm aware that the other 15 writers the show had over the years were guys, The point is that you can't lay the blame solely on guys. |
Many to blame.
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I blame Fox for Dollhouse' demise more then Dushku, that being said she could stand to sharpen her acting skills a bit.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
We want people to actually watch the show.
None of the three have proven they can act. Dushku has been given the lead role in a TV show more than once and none hung around for that long. Hell, backed by even Whedon, Dollhouse lasted two seasons and even the second season felt like a gift. |
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....and?, I wasn't debating who wrote Twilight. I was merely saying I hadn't & have not seen it thus can't comment.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Twilight was written by a woman.
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Originally Posted by Forbin Project
You mean guys like
Anne Collins (12 episodes, 1977-1979) Barbara Avedon (2 episodes, 1976) Barbara Corday (2 episodes, 1976) and yes I'm aware that the other 15 writers the show had over the years were guys, The point is that you can't lay the blame solely on guys. |
A new shows got to move on from all that cliche' nonsense.
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Yeah because no male hero has ever had to worry about being a super hero while pleasing his boss so he doesn't get fired in his real identity!|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
....and?, I wasn't debating who wrote Twilight. I was merely saying I hadn't & have not seen it thus can't comment.
I'm not laying the blame soley on the male writers, the blame is at the feet of Seventies culture that was regressed enough to have a mighty Amazon warrior princess reduced to a character who was often found fretting over whether she could juggle her heroic duties and pleasing steve back at the office in her cover identity - it was quite pathetic to behold at times. A new shows got to move on from all that cliche' nonsense. |
Except for Superman
Spiderman
and........... never mind.
Yes, but the difference was it was not her job that was on the line.... it was all about pleasing Steve because she wuved him and genuinely fretted about letting him down.
I want to see something more akin to the build-up of the Kingdom Come Diana. A proper Amazonian princess with a clear mission.
I just hope they keep that awesome theme song.
I'd love to see an homage to the funk-tastic 70's themetune in a tv series. Maybe Diana in trailing a suspect to a nightclub where its 70's night and the tune is playing with dancers spinning round with their arms outstetched. 
Kinda like how the old Spidey tune was paid homage to in Raimi's Spiderman 2 with the Chinese female busker plucking away on the violin to the 70's spiderman tv theme and Peter Parker looking at her with a bemused expression.
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If you think the whole relationship between Diana and Steve was bad, and I agree it was bad, then you have to read Twilight and see what todays women are going nuts about.
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Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Yes, but the difference was it was not her job that was on the line.... it was all about pleasing Steve because she wuved him and genuinely fretted about letting him down.
I want to see something more akin to the build-up of the Kingdom Come Diana. A proper Amazonian princess with a clear mission. |
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I liked how in the credits of Spider-man 1 the old tune was inserted. Or in JLU we had an episode of WW in civilain attire then doing the spin-transform.
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Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
I'd love to see an homage to the funk-tastic 70's themetune in a tv series. Maybe Diana in trailing a suspect to a nightclub where its 70's night and the tune is playing with dancers spinning round with their arms outstetched.
Kinda like how the old Spidey tune was paid homage to in Raimi's Spiderman 2 with the Chinese female busker plucking away on the violin to the 70's spiderman tv theme and Peter Parker looking at her with a bemused expression. |
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Ironically I sometimes think that Lynda Carter did "too good" of a job being Wonder Woman from the point of view that it's taken decades for people to work past the idea of there possibly being a Wonder Woman TV show that does not have to be an exact copy of the 70s era series. Apparently Lynda defined the role so well that no other show since then has been able to make it to the light of day. |
Originally Posted by Coin
Now, part of me is all for this, I want to see more of all the DC universe on the big and small screen, but putting WW specifically on TV instead of a movie might work against it.
There's still a lot of memory for people of the old 70's camp series to get past, will need to be a VERY different show to work |
I hope that sooner or later a new Wonder Woman show does happen. Even if it ends up being silly it'll break the ice and make people realize that you can actually have that character be played by someone else. Over the years we've seen many people play Superman and Batman but the fact that Lynda Carter has been the only major Wonder Woman has probably been more of a roadblock than anything else. I'm not saying Lynda made for a bad WW, I'm saying the fact that she's been the -only- one people remember is the bad part.
I know people have been talking about who should play Wonder Woman in a new show for years. Frankly at this point I think they ought to find a fresh new face that fits the role as well as possible. An actress who has the least amount of "baggage" from other movies/shows is probably the best bet to move past the Lynda Carter mindset.
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If this is on CW filling the void left on Smallville, we'll be starting with a teenybopper Wonder Woman, probably with all kinds of ridiculous angst, and David E. Kelly's sole contribution will be a long multi-season love crush with a guy, whom she'll obssess about as she worries about her biological clock ticking away.
It'll be an interesting combo.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Between the comic books and the TV show people have a pretty good idea of what they expect Wonder Woman to look like, and if Hollywood strays too far from that image fans won't go for it.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Ironically I sometimes think that Lynda Carter did "too good" of a job being Wonder Woman from the point of view that it's taken decades for people to work past the idea of there possibly being a Wonder Woman TV show that does not have to be an exact copy of the 70s era series. Apparently Lynda defined the role so well that no other show since then has been able to make it to the light of day.
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For example which of these makes you think Wonder Woman? Both played the role.
Of course there's also the "Costume" that's iconic. re-imagining something like that can be tricky and hard to pull off. Fans identify with the costume almost as much as what the characters physical appearance.
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| I know people have been talking about who should play Wonder Woman in a new show for years. Frankly at this point I think they ought to find a fresh new face that fits the role as well as possible. An actress who has the least amount of "baggage" from other movies/shows is probably the best bet to move past the Lynda Carter mindset. |
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To be fair, though, Wonder Woman's never had a clear mission. That's one of the problems with her character, and it was touched upon in Kingdom Come. I mean, her mission is supposed to be something in the vein of "make the world better" or "bring peace to man's world" or something, and those are so vague.|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Yes, but the difference was it was not her job that was on the line.... it was all about pleasing Steve because she wuved him and genuinely fretted about letting him down.
I want to see something more akin to the build-up of the Kingdom Come Diana. A proper Amazonian princess with a clear mission. |
Perhaps they'll make it My Name is Earl with superpowers, and Diana will just try to help one person a day.
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If DC had depicted Wonder Woman as a proper Amazonian princess, she'd be an Ares worshipping man-killer, capable of intense violence and probably out to destroy the hated Greeks once and for all.|
Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
Yes, but the difference was it was not her job that was on the line.... it was all about pleasing Steve because she wuved him and genuinely fretted about letting him down.
I want to see something more akin to the build-up of the Kingdom Come Diana. A proper Amazonian princess with a clear mission. |
The DC version of Amazons is ridiculous and silly, and leads to the murkyness that CaptainFoamerang was talking about.
But I digress...
I really just hope the show doesn't suck, but I'm sure it will.
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More like Touched by an Amazon. |
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
To be fair, though, Wonder Woman's never had a clear mission. That's one of the problems with her character, and it was touched upon in Kingdom Come. I mean, her mission is supposed to be something in the vein of "make the world better" or "bring peace to man's world" or something, and those are so vague.
Perhaps they'll make it My Name is Earl with superpowers, and Diana will just try to help one person a day. |
I guess it'll be interesting to see how they frame this new show. Will Wonder Woman just be kind of a loner doing things semi-independently or will they try to build up a "scooby gang" of sorts like Buffy the Vampire Slayer did? Will other characters from the Justice League ever be involved here or will the show effectively assume she's the only superhero in the world (kind of like the 70s era show did)?
I suppose they could do all sorts of things with this...
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If they'd timed things better, they could have had a Smallville lead in show.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I guess it'll be interesting to see how they frame this new show. Will Wonder Woman just be kind of a loner doing things semi-independently or will they try to build up a "scooby gang" of sorts like Buffy the Vampire Slayer did? Will other characters from the Justice League ever be involved here or will the show effectively assume she's the only superhero in the world (kind of like the 70s era show did)?
I suppose they could do all sorts of things with this... |
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If they are going with the Smallville type of tv show then they could still allude to it with amazon mythology, maybe an amazonian artefact or something or herald that could speak of royalty being dispatched to help Mankind.... that kinda thing.|
Originally Posted by The_Dude73
If they'd timed things better, they could have had a Smallville lead in show.
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I don't think anything like that is planned for season 10 though. that said they could juryrig something together to link to it, i mean, DC is following Marvels lead re: a continuity and shared universe in its portfolio of characters.
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Actually the fact that this new Wonder Woman show will likely -not- have a direct connection to Smallville is probably a good thing, not bad. Of course that's just my opinion, YMMV. |
Originally Posted by The_Dude73
If they'd timed things better, they could have had a Smallville lead in show.
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Well could it be any worse then the recent attempt at rebooting the Bionic Woman? |
Originally Posted by The_Dude73
If DC had depicted Wonder Woman as a proper Amazonian princess, she'd be an Ares worshipping man-killer, capable of intense violence and probably out to destroy the hated Greeks once and for all.
The DC version of Amazons is ridiculous and silly, and leads to the murkyness that CaptainFoamerang was talking about. But I digress... I really just hope the show doesn't suck, but I'm sure it will. |
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I doubt it. IMDB lists 8 episodes for Bionic Woman but it felt like it only lasted like maybe 2 or 3. |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Well could it be any worse then the recent attempt at rebooting the Bionic Woman?
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Sadly it's failures like that which has probably kept a Wonder Woman reboot in limbo...
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I don't hate Smallville, not since Lana finally left, but I don't expect much from it either.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Actually the fact that this new Wonder Woman show will likely -not- have a direct connection to Smallville is probably a good thing, not bad. Of course that's just my opinion, YMMV.
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I've actually been enjoying the appearances of other DC characters in the show.
I think a lot of time the anger at the show is just unjustified nerdrage at how some characters are portrayed. It's just a silly CW show, not a major motion picture.
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It wouldn't be so bad if the characters were smarter and the show had the balls to experiment.|
Originally Posted by The_Dude73
I don't hate Smallville, not since Lana finally left, but I don't expect much from it either.
I've actually been enjoying the appearances of other DC characters in the show. I think a lot of time the anger at the show is just unjustified nerdrage at how some characters are portrayed. It's just a silly CW show, not a major motion picture. |
Buffy and Angel were shows about folks with superpowers, and they didn't even need to fight all that much, but the characters we well-written and the creative team had fun experimenting with different things like a musical episode, a silent episode, and episodes where we didn't even see the main characters. Supernatural is like that, which is why it's the superior show.
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Of course it wasn't so obvious then to audiences & only in retrospect and looking back from a cultural viewpoint you can see how dated the show is. A new WW Tv show would require an entirely fresh treatment for the character to work.
Also as a nice way to bridge the old series with the new, get Lynda Carter to play Hyppolita (sp?), and perhaps even have her make a reference to how she did things back in her day as WW.... just an idea.
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