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Maybe he ment "if the heal misses your team" the target is still being debuffed?
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
Last night I was told by a veteran player to spam the target with transfusion because even if I miss (which I was about 40% of the time) the target was still being debuffed. is this correct?
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If he did he worded it like crap.|
Originally Posted by Exodus_V
Maybe he ment "if the heal misses your team" the target is still being debuffed?
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If Transfusion misses it's target, as with ALL powers in the game, nothing happens. I think your team leader is either terrible at wording his advice or he has no idea what he's talking about.
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I think he probably meant that the -regen will still affect the target.
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Originally Posted by ChrisMoses
I think he probably meant that the -regen will still affect the target.
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Let's clear this whole thing up right now:
If you cast Transfusion and it misses your target nothing will happen.
If you cast Transfusion and it hits your target but your allies are not in range for the heal, then the -Regen debuff still applies.
If you cast Transfusion and it hits your target and your allies are in range for the heal, the -Regen debuff is applied and your allies receive a heal.
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Yes. Even if you don't need the heal and/or it misses your team, as long as you don't get a "Miss" indication, the target is still affected by the -Regen.
Which, really, isn't something you need to worry about unless you're fighting AVs. Or maybe those awful Arachnoids.
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And it can hit, but not heal if the target in question dies before the heal aspect goes off.
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
I was told by a veteran player to spam the target with transfusion because even if no one on the team needs healing the target was still being regeneration debuffed when transfusion hits the target I've selected.
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Originally Posted by Exodus_V
Maybe he ment "if the heal misses your team" the target is still being debuffed?
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What I said was if I miss the target, I know that the power is an TAoE, so if
a team member is outside of the AoE they wont get healed even if I hit the target.
The Team leader said spam the target with Transfusion because even if it misses he still gets debuffed. The team leader was in toe-to-toe combat, so the thought of her being outside of the AoE didn't even cross my mind
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So your team leader was wrong. Very very wrong.
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
What I said was if I miss the target, I know that the power is an TAoE, so if
a team member is outside of the AoE they wont get healed even if I hit the target. The Team leader said spam the target with Transfusion because even if it misses he still gets debuffed. The team leader was in toe-to-toe combat, so the thought of her being outside of the AoE didn't even cross my mind |
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that's the way it was laid out to me, I said, I'm missing a large chunk of the time, they said doesn't matter the debuff is still going into effect.
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Originally Posted by ChrisMoses
I think he probably meant that the -regen will still affect the target.
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It isn't, but it's still worth the constant usage.
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
that's the way it was laid out to me, I said, I'm missing a large chunk of the time, they said doesn't matter the debuff is still going into effect.
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You are missing what? The target (enemy) or the friendly in the heal radius? If you are missing the target (enemy) it does sqaut, if you are missing the friendly in the heal radius then it doesn't matter since the boss/target/AV/EB is still eating the -regen from being hit.|
Originally Posted by nytflyr
that's the way it was laid out to me, I said, I'm missing a large chunk of the time, they said doesn't matter the debuff is still going into effect.
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Why does this take so many replies and we still cant get a straight answer? This has to be ESL. ( which in that case is fine )
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While, that is of course true, there are some tricky exceptions where you mix to-hit rolls & auto-hits. Like Mud Pots, which has a to-hit for the damage, but an auto-hit debuff, thus the taunt effect is auto.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
If Transfusion misses it's target, as with ALL powers in the game, nothing happens.
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Of course Transfusion needs to hit for the debuff to take effect, but likely, and I'm thinking this was hurried typing during an AV fight, that the person meant, even if you're whiffing more than not, the debuff will likely stay in effect (20s), since Transfusion recharges very quickly. Really, as long as you don't miss 4 or 5 in a row, you're still contributing w/o healing a thing.
Then again, he just as likely wasn't paying attention any more than to make sure the Kin freakin' spammed his Transfusion for the -regen, nevermind the details as to why. I sometimes do this when the Kin on my team doesn't spam Transfusion against AVs and we have few other -regen powers on hand.
"Spam Transfusion!"
"Why? No one needs healing."
"-regen"
"But I'm missing a lot"
"Don't worry about it. Just spam it!"
Or the guy was just plain wrong about Transfusion not needing to hit. Also a possibility.
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Since Transfusion isn't Mud Pots, this doesn't apply.|
Originally Posted by dave_p
While, that is of course true, there are some tricky exceptions where you mix to-hit rolls & auto-hits. Like Mud Pots, which has a to-hit for the damage, but an auto-hit debuff, thus the taunt effect is auto.
Of course Transfusion needs to hit for the debuff to take effect, but likely, and I'm thinking this was hurried typing during an AV fight, that the person meant, even if you're whiffing more than not, the debuff will likely stay in effect (20s), since Transfusion recharges very quickly. Really, as long as you don't miss 4 or 5 in a row, you're still contributing w/o healing a thing. Then again, he just as likely wasn't paying attention any more than to make sure the Kin freakin' spammed his Transfusion for the -regen, nevermind the details as to why. I sometimes do this when the Kin on my team doesn't spam Transfusion against AVs and we have few other -regen powers on hand. "Spam Transfusion!" "Why? No one needs healing." "-regen" "But I'm missing a lot" "Don't worry about it. Just spam it!" Or the guy was just plain wrong about Transfusion not needing to hit. Also a possibility. |
I'll say it again:
If it misses nothing happens.
If it hits and no one's near the target, you just get the -Regen.
If it hits and people are near the target, they get healed.
Any questions?
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
If he did he worded it like crap.
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Originally Posted by dave_p
While, that is of course true, there are some tricky exceptions where you mix to-hit rolls & auto-hits. Like Mud Pots, which has a to-hit for the damage, but an auto-hit debuff, thus the taunt effect is auto.
Of course Transfusion needs to hit for the debuff to take effect, but likely, and I'm thinking this was hurried typing during an AV fight, that the person meant, even if you're whiffing more than not, the debuff will likely stay in effect (20s), since Transfusion recharges very quickly. Really, as long as you don't miss 4 or 5 in a row, you're still contributing w/o healing a thing. Then again, he just as likely wasn't paying attention any more than to make sure the Kin freakin' spammed his Transfusion for the -regen, nevermind the details as to why. I sometimes do this when the Kin on my team doesn't spam Transfusion against AVs and we have few other -regen powers on hand. "Spam Transfusion!" "Why? No one needs healing." "-regen" "But I'm missing a lot" "Don't worry about it. Just spam it!" Or the guy was just plain wrong about Transfusion not needing to hit. Also a possibility. |
The other possibility was that his statements were based upon the fact that the -Regen lasts for 20 seconds. So, even if you miss, the -Regen continues until, hopefully, you hit the next time.
And, by the way, there are some auto-hit powers in the game. Radiation Infection and Enervating Field from the Rad secondary. Storm's Snow Storm. A tank's Taunt.
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I don't have a lot of context, but it's possible the person thought Transference worked like Heat Loss. Heat Loss does have an effect even if it misses--in that case you get +Endurance, enemy does not get -Resistance, but same principal.
Most powers don't do anything if they miss. But definitely not all.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
And it can hit, but not heal if the target in question dies before the heal aspect goes off.
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Is this true? I haven't played Kinetics in a long time. I don't think the Dark Miasma heal works like that--I'm fairly sure if you queue the power while in range of the enemy it will hit them and heal you even if the attack currently animating kills the enemy. It's an interesting effect of the way the "can I hit this enemy?" code is written--the range, endurance, damage, angle of knockback, etc is calculated the moment the power is queued rather than when it actually fires. You can abuse this pretty liberally by chaining two AoE knockbacks back to back; you'd think the enemies would be blown out of the radius of the second attack, but because targets are acquired the moment you click the power rather than when it actually fires you end up hitting them anyway. Occasionally you'll see really strange things happen if you click an AoE and one of your teammates then bats the enemy back with massive knockback, where when the AoE animation plays its in the totally wrong place but still hits people several yards outside the apparant radius.
I've had this happen to me a lot, especially on fast moving teams. Even though I hit, and I can see some kind of animation, the dead target produces no heal. Quite different than dark miasma as was pointed out.
My guess is the heal aspect is given to the target on a successful hit which fires off provided that target is alive during the next 'tick'. Since the dark heal is given to the caster and not the recipient upon a successful hit, 'you' heal as long as you are alive.
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Twilight Grasp is an aoe centred on the player, easy to do since the player just casts a PBAoE heal if they hit. Transfusion is centred on the target so involves spawning an allied pseudo-pet at the location of the target to cast the AoE heal; if the target dies between hit check and the pet being spawned then the game can't find a valid location for it and the heal part fails.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Is this true? I haven't played Kinetics in a long time. I don't think the Dark Miasma heal works like that...
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Originally Posted by dave_p
"Spam Transfusion!" |
I've eaten the stuff, that's as close as I ever wanna get to actually injecting it into my veins.
Last night I was told by a veteran player to spam the target with transfusion because even if I miss (which I was about 40% of the time) the target was still being debuffed. is this correct?