hero merit rolls, specifc rare/unique recipes or pvp recipes
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Crimson_Knight,
Posted on: 2010-09-10 14:12 in The Market and Inventions
AFAIK the most expensive are still the 3% defense and the 3% res. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
Lets do a little math:
Luck of the gambler selling 150m to 250m cost = 2 A-Merits.
with the 36 merits it takes to buy a PvP recipe you would have between 2.7 and 4.5 billion inf.
Your call.
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See this is where the no-brainer part comes in for me. Raising Inf to buy stuff (not the badges) makes sense, but if I can buy the stuff with A-Merits, why not and save the inf? I can run 10 A-Mishes in 2 days and get 1 A-Merit. Which I can use to buy Recipes.
Think about this: I can run Hours of TF to get merits to buy a LoTG +7.5 Rech (250 Merits) or I can buy it for...what 100 Mill Inf? Or, I can run 20 A-Mishes over 4 days (which take about 15 mins per mish or less when I solo) and buy 1 LoTG +7.5 Rech for 2 A-Merits.
For me; its a no-brainer. The hard part is overcoming the tediousness of running the same mishes over and over again (Frostfire, anyone?) and patience.
I still like hoarding Inf, but I hate spending ALL of it on 1 recipe 
Thank you A-Merits! 
Crimson: you can run Sister Psyche for 50 merits, spend 20 million and buy an a-merit; run 10 tip missions over two days and buy another a-merit; and boom, LoTG. You can run another TF, do a few ouros [or get those explore badges you've been putting off] and get 50 reward merits THAT way.
... or you can turn two a-merits into 10 rolls, sell the rolls, buy the LoTG, keep the change.
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As Fulmens pointed out, you don't have to run the same missions. And I will add to his suggestions the option of using characters of different levels and use a hero this week a villain next, etc. There are a huge array of options. You do NOT have to do the same missions over and over. Even if you only have 1 character, because even then you can do what Fulmens suggested.
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Originally Posted by Crimson_Knight
The hard part is overcoming the tediousness of running the same mishes over and over again (Frostfire, anyone?) and patience.
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"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
The only thing about doing rolls like before im not 100% I want to do that on a 50. Since luck of the gamblers and miracles see most value at level 25/20.
I just don't know if I should risk burning them on rolls that could be 5 crap of the hunters or call of the s**t man.
I guess if you get about 150 - 200 mil worth of recipes per roll its a good deal.
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If the "pick" option is worth 150-250 million, you only need 75-125 million per roll because you get two rolls per pick.|
Originally Posted by Noyjitat
The only thing about doing rolls like before im not 100% I want to do that on a 50. Since luck of the gamblers and miracles see most value at level 25/20.
I just don't know if I should risk burning them on rolls that could be 5 crap of the hunters or call of the s**t man. I guess if you get about 150 - 200 mil worth of recipes per roll its a good deal. |
Initial evidence suggests people are getting about that much per roll.
So far I've been about average. My rolls purely for sale have gone badly at 80-ish million, 70-ish million aaaaannnd 15 million. That one on Friday really sucked. Wow. Two I deleted because they needed 2 million+ in salvage but crafted were only selling for 500k with 20+ listed, one with average price of 4 mill, and two with average price of 5 mil. Sadness. Though probably a good opportunity for a flipper hehe. I should probably pay attention to these things.
But I also had two rolls where I got stuff like Eradicate quad and basilisk quad on the same roll (woohoo) along with several other items I needed for my builds that if I sold the total profit would have pushed my average on all 5 rolls I've done into the "about 100 million per roll" range.
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I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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What'd be helpful is for someone to go through and so the math on these, using the drop weighting formulas and current market values. My perception is that it's hard to average 15-25 million per recipe right now (or crafted enhancement, even before factoring in salvage costs), but I've probably got less than 100 recipes worth of random rolls total so far and recognize that my sample size is too small. Unfortunately, I never quite understood the drop weighting statistics for Pool C, so doing the analysis I recommend is beyond me, but I've had relatively few random rolls on my 50s where I felt confident that I was doing better (in terms of what I could sell the 5 randoms for) than what I could have gotten if I just saved 2 alignment merits and bought a min-level LotG 7.5 or Miracle. |
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
If the "pick" option is worth 150-250 million, you only need 75-125 million per roll because you get two rolls per pick.
Initial evidence suggests people are getting about that much per roll. |
I know the stack of unsellable Scirocco procs sitting on one of my characters (2 from one roll, along with 2 other damage procs...) has made me gun-shy to roll randomly with my 50s, even in the 35-39 range. With my mid-level characters, who are generating things that aren't grossly over-supplied, I'm quite content rolling randomly.
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If that's the case, then the pick option would be better since it poses less risk. The roll option is attractive only if the average payout is higher than the pick option.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
If the "pick" option is worth 150-250 million, you only need 75-125 million per roll because you get two rolls per pick.
Initial evidence suggests people are getting about that much per roll. |
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Of course, you can't just go up to a vendor and dump your 4 billion on the PVP IO. It has to come from someone else.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
AFAIK the most expensive are still the 3% defense and the 3% res. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
Lets do a little math: Luck of the gambler selling 150m to 250m cost = 2 A-Merits. with the 36 merits it takes to buy a PvP recipe you would have between 2.7 and 4.5 billion inf. Your call. |
I random rolled the first week or so, but I've switched to cherry-picking LotGs across the board.
I'm not selling them because I'm loaded with INF.
I'm storing them for my 4 or 5 "inherent-Fitness, purple-IO, getting ready for whatever this end game content is going to be" builds.
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This is pretty much what I'm doing. There's no point in my storing yet more inf in my mattresses (so, no random rolls for fun & profit), so I figure I'd just load up w/LotG's, though I'm alternating bet. 50s and 25s, and keeping a reserve of HMs on various characters to see what I might need for future use.|
Originally Posted by Kitteh
I random rolled the first week or so, but I've switched to cherry-picking LotGs across the board.
I'm not selling them because I'm loaded with INF. I'm storing them for my 4 or 5 "inherent-Fitness, purple-IO, getting ready for whatever this end game content is going to be" builds. |
I already have enough Miracle/Numina uniques, -KB, stealth & Steadfast +def to equip every toon I run, but not quite enough LotGs just yet to slot 5x on all 31 of my alts on my main server. Of course, I could just buy them, but what'd be the fun in that?
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Not true at all. If they are identical in value then there is also the advantage to getting your income faster rather than slower. If you could get paid $150 on Tuesday and $150 on Friday, or $300 on Friday, which option would you take?|
Originally Posted by Intrinsic
If that's the case, then the pick option would be better since it poses less risk. The roll option is attractive only if the average payout is higher than the pick option.
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Also, if you have a bajillion alts, the random rolls are helpful because you can use a lot of what you roll saving you time and effort by removing the purchase step.
"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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For you to be able to buy a PvP IO someone has to get a drop (or buy it with merits), and then put it on the market or otherwise offer it for sale.|
Originally Posted by Noyjitat
So do you think its best to save up and buy that expensive pvp recipe with the hopes of selling it for billions or should I buy specifc ios like level 25 lotg 7.5, 20 miracle unique etc or finally just do random 5 recipe rolls.
What is the most expensive pvp recipes nowdays and are people paying more for it than ever or will its price more than likely drop soon? |
Like in the real world, the herd mentality causes the bear/bull market cycle. If everyone uses their A-merits to get and sell LotG +recharge, the result will be a glut of those and a decline in their price, and there will be no PvP recipes to buy because no one is generating them. Similarly, if everyone does random rolls the supply of rare recipes will go up, their price will go down, and there will still be no PvP recipes. If everyone puts their energies into farming PvP recipes or A-merits to get them, the supply of PvP recipes will go up, their price will go down and there will be no rare recipes on the market.
Markets only work if there is a balance between suppliers and buyers, and diversity of supply and demand; in our context the generation of rares through random rolls/merit buys and PvP recipes by PvPing/A-merits.
That means there's no one "best" way to do anything on the market. You need to find a niche that works for you, and be prepared to change that niche when it taps out. You find that niche by looking at pricing, supply and demand of various items over a period of days or weeks.
The upshot is: if you really want the PvP recipe, the only way you're guaranteed to get it is to buy it with A-merits. And if PvP recipes are selling for more than the influence cap, you don't even have the option to buy it on the market. You'll have to find it some other way. And probably the best way is to do that is to PvP and actually generate highly desirable items which you can use or sell for beaucoup bucks, rather than waiting around for someone else to post them on the market.
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I wouldn't care that much either way, since I don't live from paycheck to paycheck. And the guy who does would probably have a cow if, on Tuesday, he only got paid $50 or $100 instead of the $150. There's an argument that can be made here for the time value of money, but my guess is that anyone who can make significant profits in only 2 days probably wasn't jonesing for that extra cash in the first place.|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Not true at all. If they are identical in value then there is also the advantage to getting your income faster rather than slower. If you could get paid $150 on Tuesday and $150 on Friday, or $300 on Friday, which option would you take?
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| Also, if you have a bajillion alts, the random rolls are helpful because you can use a lot of what you roll saving you time and effort by removing the purchase step. |
So do you think its best to save up and buy that expensive pvp recipe with the hopes of selling it for billions or should I buy specifc ios like level 25 lotg 7.5, 20 miracle unique etc or finally just do random 5 recipe rolls.
What is the most expensive pvp recipes nowdays and are people paying more for it than ever or will its price more than likely drop soon?
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