A Tale of 2 Batmen
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Posted on: 2010-08-30 17:26 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Where you see character assassination, others might see character development. Maybe Dick has been about wanting to get out of Bruce's shadow. Maybe he has been rebelling against Bruce for years, now, in his way. But you know what? Rebellious children often end up -exactly- like the parents they swore they'd never become. Perhaps Dick's objection to becoming Batman was because it was someone else's plan for him, not on his own terms. Perhaps his objection has been subconsciously because he knew himself becoming Batman would mean Bruce is gone, and he knows he'd be unable to live up to the legacy of the man he admires most. |
Originally Posted by Durakken
The problem with it isn't the concept... it's that it doesn't work with the characters.
Dick doesn't want to be Batman. Bruce doesn't want Dick to be Batman. He has only asked him to take over the one time because he was the best choice at the time. Bruce said NOT to be Batman in his message to Dick and he told Tim long ago that he'd like Tim to take over one day as Batman. So it doesn't make sense for any of the characters involved to have Dick remain Batman and it doesn't make sense to toss out Nightwing. The entire thing just doesn't make any sense in continuity nor as a story thing as it makes a joke of the entire series. |
But with Bruce "dead", and Tim not old enough, Jean Paul dead at present I believe? (and proven not a good choice anyway), Jason crazy murdering people, Dick had to step into the role, whether he wanted it or not. Because he believed there had to be a Batman. And after being forced to grow into the role, is it so inconceivable that what he wants has changed? That he -does- want to be Batman, after all? Many are the times life surprises people with activities, ideas, and roles that they learn to accept and even cherish, despite initially rejecting.
That is how I would write it if I were the one doing the comic, at least. Dick has been fighting what part of him knew was destiny, fighting to keep Bruce, the one true Batman, around, but now that he's come to terms with it, he's not going to give it up.
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The International Club Of Heroes has a spanish character inspired by Batman.....actually, every member of this SG was. They all hail from different countries, IIRC.
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Originally Posted by Obsidius
When the Batman franchise hits a Latin American country, or Spain for that matter, will we see a Bat Manuel?
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But, but, but! That would mean that something would change! Those characters are supposed to be exactly the same as they were when I was a kid forever and ever!
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Originally Posted by SMerc
Where you see character assassination, others might see character development. Maybe Dick has been about wanting to get out of Bruce's shadow. Maybe he has been rebelling against Bruce for years, now, in his way. But you know what? Rebellious children often end up -exactly- like the parents they swore they'd never become. Perhaps Dick's objection to becoming Batman was because it was someone else's plan for him, not on his own terms. Perhaps his objection has been subconsciously because he knew himself becoming Batman would mean Bruce is gone, and he knows he'd be unable to live up to the legacy of the man he admires most.
But with Bruce "dead", and Tim not old enough, Jean Paul dead at present I believe? (and proven not a good choice anyway), Jason crazy murdering people, Dick had to step into the role, whether he wanted it or not. Because he believed there had to be a Batman. And after being forced to grow into the role, is it so inconceivable that what he wants has changed? That he -does- want to be Batman, after all? Many are the times life surprises people with activities, ideas, and roles that they learn to accept and even cherish, despite initially rejecting. That is how I would write it if I were the one doing the comic, at least. Dick has been fighting what part of him knew was destiny, fighting to keep Bruce, the one true Batman, around, but now that he's come to terms with it, he's not going to give it up. |
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Two...two Batmen, ah ah ah.|
Originally Posted by Furio
Remember that thread about Bat's "new" outfit? Well, turns out he's keeping the old one, too.
Bruce *and* Dick are both going to be Batman, thus sayeth Dan DiDio over on IGN Bruce gets the yellow oval emblem, Dick keeps the plain black bat. |
And I actually like SMerc's way of explaining Dick becoming Batman. Despite that I love my dad, I swore up and down I'd never make the same mistakes and do things the same way as he did.
Guess what...
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yea, this. |
Originally Posted by SMerc
Where you see character assassination, others might see character development. Maybe Dick has been about wanting to get out of Bruce's shadow. Maybe he has been rebelling against Bruce for years, now, in his way. But you know what? Rebellious children often end up -exactly- like the parents they swore they'd never become. Perhaps Dick's objection to becoming Batman was because it was someone else's plan for him, not on his own terms. Perhaps his objection has been subconsciously because he knew himself becoming Batman would mean Bruce is gone, and he knows he'd be unable to live up to the legacy of the man he admires most.
But with Bruce "dead", and Tim not old enough, Jean Paul dead at present I believe? (and proven not a good choice anyway), Jason crazy murdering people, Dick had to step into the role, whether he wanted it or not. Because he believed there had to be a Batman. And after being forced to grow into the role, is it so inconceivable that what he wants has changed? That he -does- want to be Batman, after all? Many are the times life surprises people with activities, ideas, and roles that they learn to accept and even cherish, despite initially rejecting. That is how I would write it if I were the one doing the comic, at least. Dick has been fighting what part of him knew was destiny, fighting to keep Bruce, the one true Batman, around, but now that he's come to terms with it, he's not going to give it up. |
btw, damn you for beating me to this explanation. Next time Gadget, NEXT TIME!!!
Two Batman....men.....man...
Can't WAIT to see them go up against Two Face for the first time together, how much would that mess with poor Harvey's head 
Course, Joker will see through it in an instant, natch.
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That arguement would hold a lot more water if Wayne wasn't going to be Batman as well. It is one thing for a son to take over the family business for his dad. It is another thing for his dad to come back and decided to be the CEO again at the same time.|
Originally Posted by SMerc
Where you see character assassination, others might see character development. Maybe Dick has been about wanting to get out of Bruce's shadow. Maybe he has been rebelling against Bruce for years, now, in his way. But you know what? Rebellious children often end up -exactly- like the parents they swore they'd never become. Perhaps Dick's objection to becoming Batman was because it was someone else's plan for him, not on his own terms. Perhaps his objection has been subconsciously because he knew himself becoming Batman would mean Bruce is gone, and he knows he'd be unable to live up to the legacy of the man he admires most.
But with Bruce "dead", and Tim not old enough, Jean Paul dead at present I believe? (and proven not a good choice anyway), Jason crazy murdering people, Dick had to step into the role, whether he wanted it or not. Because he believed there had to be a Batman. And after being forced to grow into the role, is it so inconceivable that what he wants has changed? That he -does- want to be Batman, after all? Many are the times life surprises people with activities, ideas, and roles that they learn to accept and even cherish, despite initially rejecting. That is how I would write it if I were the one doing the comic, at least. Dick has been fighting what part of him knew was destiny, fighting to keep Bruce, the one true Batman, around, but now that he's come to terms with it, he's not going to give it up. |
Personally I like Dick as Batman, but it doesn't make much sense to do a sort of batman time share. This would be character growth instead of a lame gimick if they were willing to allow Bruce to move on in some way, instead it just feels like they are trying to have it both ways.
"Okay you be Batman of Gothlam, I'll be Batman for everywhere else. You attend the JSA meetings and I'll handle the JLA meetings. You take Robin as your side kick and I get Batgirl. Does that sound fair Dick?"
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I don't think Bruce taking off the cowl as long as he's alive (and capable) is even an option for DC brass. After all, they've said many times in interviews that Bruce is the mask, Bats is the real persona.
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