Should Heroic Corruptors Be Renamed Protectors?


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Now that large numbers of villains are becoming heroes, should Corruptors be re-named Protectors, or some other less pejorative term? Brute, Stalker, Mastermind, and Dominator all have some heroic connatations, but Corruptor just doesn't sound particularly heroic. The heroic designations likewise work both ways, but the Corruptor, as a Hero, has an odd sound to it. One possibility would be to have Heroic Corruptors be re-named as Protectors, which I think would be a pretty cool way to do it. One way would be to re-name the entire archetype the Protectors. After all, they are essentially a modification of the Defender class, with the blasting powers primary and the defensive powers secondary: the exact reverse of the Defender class. I realize that the Heroic Corruptors might be seen by Lord Arachnos as corrupting to his Destined Ones, in the same fashion that the Fifth Column, as neo-Nazis, probably consider Jews corrupting to the purity of their "Aryan Hegemony," but nonetheless I think I would prefer the class be re-named or be, perhaps, the only class with a name switch. I'm curious how other players feel about this suggestion. Is the tradition of calling them Corruptors something we shouldn't fiddle with, or does anyone have a better name than "Protectors" to be considered? Does this bother anyone as it does me, or for many of you is this is a "non-issue?" Or do I have some support for my idea out there? I'd love to hear your comments!


 

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I see no point to rename AT other then RP, and that doesn't matter in RP as there is no "AT" in RP IMO.


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Originally Posted by Terminal Velocity View Post
I see no point to rename AT other then RP, and that doesn't matter in RP as there is no "AT" in RP IMO.
^ This

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I realize that the Heroic Corruptors might be seen by Lord Arachnos as corrupting to his Destined Ones, in the same fashion that the Fifth Column, as neo-Nazis, probably consider Jews corrupting to the purity of their "Aryan Hegemony," but nonetheless I think I would prefer the class be re-named or be, perhaps, the only class with a name switch.
Firsty, it's Lord Recluse.
Secondly, getting a little deep there, fella. And you'd probably be better served studying the Fifth's background a bit.


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Now that many Heroes are becoming villains, I believe Defenders should be called Offenders!


 

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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm View Post
Now that many Heroes are becoming villains, I believe Defenders should be called Offenders!
Then what would that make villainous Offenders?


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cor·rupt –verb
to destroy the integrity of; cause to be dishonest, disloyal, etc.
Ever hear of a cop getting a criminal to flip on his gang or partners? Or CIA agent getting a terrorist to flip on his cell?

That is corruption. The word doesn't always have a negative meaning. There's no reason to change it here.


 

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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm View Post
Now that many Heroes are becoming villains, I believe Defenders should be called Offenders!
See also RO. Offender already refers to a specific playstyle.


 

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It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Not all Brutes are brutes. I'm sure that some are foppish tea-sipping Gentlemen Pugilists, but I don't expect the archetype name to change on their account.

In a related note, it always bothered me in Madeliene Casey's arc where she is describeed as "playing the Blaster LiveWyre on a TV series", as if people in paragon City identify supers by archetype. Its about the one place in game where I get the idea that the classification by archetype is more than a game mechanics.


 

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Originally Posted by Terminal Velocity View Post
I see no point to rename AT other then RP, and that doesn't matter in RP as there is no "AT" in RP IMO.
^^This...

In RP, I wouldn't use the AT names, and in RP, I wouldn't say my hero with a sword is beheading the enemies!

They're names to signify to the players who's what, and nothing more.


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I see no point to rename AT other then RP, and that doesn't matter in RP as there is no "AT" in RP IMO.
^^This

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I'd agree that now that we play in a post Going Rogue/Crossover game it's unfortunate that AT names like Corruptor, Defender and Peacebringer don't really fit when you have a heroic Corruptor or a villainous Defender/Peacebringer. Since the Devs have been considering allowing Crossovers for years (even well before CoV was finished) you'd think that they would've thought about that and named all ATs in this game using more alignment-neutral names from the start.

But now that the proverbial damage is done I -don't- think these ATs should be renamed. It'd be weird for only a few names to change (for any reason) so late in the game and it'd really only open the door for people to whine about the other names for even less reasonable reasons.

I would chalk this idea up to "It'd be nice on some level, but ultimately isn't really justified" all things considered.


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There have been requests in the past to allow us to rename powers, so I wondered if players would want to be able to rename the archetypes, but I can see there is little interest in such a thing (at least so far). It is a reasonable solution, in my mind, to consider the names to be window dressing of little significance as they don't effect gameplay. It probably should be seen along the lines of more complete customization of characters, which NCSOFT has been very, very good to us players about. I'm pleased though that most players seem unconcerned about non-neutral archetype names. If it doesn't bother most of you, I can certainly adjust myself.


 

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I'd agree that now that we play in a post Going Rogue/Crossover game it's unfortunate that AT names like Corruptor, Defender and Peacebringer don't really fit when you have a heroic Corruptor or a villainous Defender/Peacebringer.
Actually, Peacebringer is a great villainous name. The villain who brings peace to everyone through the iron fist of tyranny. After all, the "pax romana" was only peaceful because the Roman Empire had conquered half the known world and crushed their enemies before them.


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^^This

... And Dr. Eibenschütz, my brutish mastermind of dominatingly blond hair blue-eyed goodness likes to stalk the night, while not at beit k'nesset, as the Corruptor of Evildoers!
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Originally Posted by Lothic View Post
I'd agree that now that we play in a post Going Rogue/Crossover game it's unfortunate that AT names like Corruptor, Defender and Peacebringer don't really fit when you have a heroic Corruptor or a villainous Defender/Peacebringer. Since the Devs have been considering allowing Crossovers for years (even well before CoV was finished) you'd think that they would've thought about that and named all ATs in this game using more alignment-neutral names from the start.

But now that the proverbial damage is done I -don't- think these ATs should be renamed. It'd be weird for only a few names to change (for any reason) so late in the game and it'd really only open the door for people to whine about the other names for even less reasonable reasons.

I would chalk this idea up to "It'd be nice on some level, but ultimately isn't really justified" all things considered.
I'd say it'd be better to have all the text removed from the game, that would make it sound like the AT names are part of the in game lore (which a lot of RPers, and thusly the only one's who'd really care, even if they're just RPing their toon in their mind as they play and not group RPing, tend to ignore anyways).

If contact whoever, didn't say "So you're a Defender/Tanker/Scrapper/ect" and people just realized the name of the AT is just that, a name for an AT so people know who they're teaming with and a general idea of their capabilities.


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Actually, Peacebringer is a great villainous name. The villain who brings peace to everyone through the iron fist of tyranny. After all, the "pax romana" was only peaceful because the Roman Empire had conquered half the known world and crushed their enemies before them.
Your interpretation of "Peacebringer" being a workable villain AT name actually highlights the apparent difficulty the Devs faced when they were coming up with AT titles. Because English is such a complex language it was clearly hard for them to come up with enough names for ATs that were completely alignment-neutral. Case in point the word "Peacebringer" could imply being heroic or villainous to different subsets of people.

Even though a few of the current AT names are very problematic I still don't think it's worth the Devs' effort to change them. Not only would it require a huge amount of rework for all the text in the game but then you'd likely have people complaining about the changes regardless. There might actually be a few people who like (for whatever reason) the idea of being a "Heroic Corrupter".

People are always going to have different interpretations of what the titles mean to them when it comes to being heroic or villainous and the Devs' will never be able to make 100% of the people 100% happy with this. I think they should just leave sleeping dogs lie with this issue.


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I think renaming the At's is a waste of energy, because any new names you come up with could most likely be applied to a whole new AT.