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Are you ignoring Footstomp, by chance?
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Originally Posted by Novella
not so single target only
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It needs something to be worth taking: Low accuracy, mag 2 stun, and Knockback(seldom if ever desired).
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Originally Posted by Novella
Has it ever been explained why certain AV/Heroes version of Hand Clap does damage while the players version does not?.
I think Super Strength would be a lot more fun and not so single target only if Hand Clap was made to do some damage (even if it was on the level of Whirling Hands). Thoughts? |
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No Mac. I am not ignoring Foot Stomp and all its wonderful glory, but waiting 32 levels as a Brute or 38 levels as a Tanker for your only area of effect power is a bit extreme in my opinion.|
Originally Posted by macskull
Are you ignoring Footstomp, by chance?
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Most other sets have an area of effect attack earlier in the build and Super Strength has Hand Clap which could be changed to be an area of effect and still not make the set over powered.
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Superstrength is the most overpowered Melee set in the game.|
Originally Posted by Novella
No Mac. I am not ignoring Foot Stomp and all its wonderful glory, but waiting 32 levels as a Brute or 38 levels as a Tanker for your only area of effect power is a bit extreme in my opinion.
Most other sets have an area of effect attack earlier in the build and Super Strength has Hand Clap which could be changed to be an area of effect and still not make the set over powered. |
You can have Hand Clap do AoE if you turn Rage into Build Up. Then it would still be insanely powerful.
Compared to Kin Melee.....EM is insanely overpowered so yeah, suck it KM
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Hand Clap is an AoE, just not AoE damage. SS also gets Taunt at level 10/12. KoB's gauntlet radius is also a very impressive 17 feet.
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Originally Posted by Novella
No Mac. I am not ignoring Foot Stomp and all its wonderful glory, but waiting 32 levels as a Brute or 38 levels as a Tanker for your only area of effect power is a bit extreme in my opinion.
Most other sets have an area of effect attack earlier in the build and Super Strength has Hand Clap which could be changed to be an area of effect and still not make the set over powered. |
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
I'm strictly referring to damage AoE which Hand Clap is not. The gauntlet radius of Knockout Blow is also irrelevant seeing as Gauntlet does not help you defeat enemies.
As to the person that said Super Strength is the most overpowered melee set in the game I have to disagree highly. Energy Melee does consistently more damage than Super Strength unless you are on a Brute in which case SS is very powerful.
If Hand Clap did the same damage as Whirling Hands it would not be overpowered being Whirling Hands does terrible damage as it is since its smashing damage over energy damage.
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SS is leaps and bounds ahead of Energy in mob mowing after level 39. Yes, it is extreme you have to wait that long. But it is also extremely good. If you want more damage from your own attacks, play a brute. If you want to play the extreme defense/aggro AT and have early damage and AoE punch, team with a blaster, then Gauntlet will help you defeat enemies.
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Originally Posted by Novella
I'm strictly referring to damage AoE which Hand Clap is not. The gauntlet radius of Knockout Blow is also irrelevant seeing as Gauntlet does not help you defeat enemies.
As to the person that said Super Strength is the most overpowered melee set in the game I have to disagree highly. Energy Melee does consistently more damage than Super Strength unless you are on a Brute in which case SS is very powerful. If Hand Clap did the same damage as Whirling Hands it would not be overpowered being Whirling Hands does terrible damage as it is since its smashing damage over energy damage. |
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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You gonna try to somehow back up that completely inaccurate statement? Because it doesnt take a genius to realize hitting just 3 people with a rage-buffed FS outdamages ET. How often do you hit two or more people with FS? |
Originally Posted by Novella
As to the person that said Super Strength is the most overpowered melee set in the game I have to disagree highly. Energy Melee does consistently more damage than Super Strength unless you are on a Brute in which case SS is very powerful. |
Energy melee does consistently less aoe damage than almost (almost may be putting it nicely) every other set in the game. Energy melee does not even do the most single target damage. Even with both its big hitters.
Seriously, how does your statement make sense to you...
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Originally Posted by Novella
I'm strictly referring to damage AoE which Hand Clap is not. The gauntlet radius of Knockout Blow is also irrelevant seeing as Gauntlet does not help you defeat enemies.
As to the person that said Super Strength is the most overpowered melee set in the game I have to disagree highly. Energy Melee does consistently more damage than Super Strength unless you are on a Brute in which case SS is very powerful. If Hand Clap did the same damage as Whirling Hands it would not be overpowered being Whirling Hands does terrible damage as it is since its smashing damage over energy damage. |
You're hilarious Novella with your Energy Melee fixation.
SS is miles better then Energy Melee due to Rage and Footstomp.
I can't imagine how anyone can portray SS as mediocre. You get the mainstay of your single target attacks early (incredibly early on brute, since they have them by level 8), and while the aoe is a long wait, it's also one of the best aoe's available to melee sets.
I haven't seen anyone talk in any positive way about EM since they nerfed ET.
None of these posts has anything to do with my initial question, but I will address them anyway.
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Exactly, after level 39. What happens before you get Foot Stomp? You have a completely single target focused power set that can be out damaged by many other melee sets.|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
SS is leaps and bounds ahead of Energy in mob mowing after level 39. Yes, it is extreme you have to wait that long. But it is also extremely good. If you want more damage from your own attacks, play a brute.
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I know that Foot Stomp is wonderful, but I am not talking about Foot Stomp, that is completely irrelevant to anything I am talking about.
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Originally Posted by RabidBrian
You gonna try to somehow back up that completely inaccurate statement? Because it doesnt take a genius to realize hitting just 2 people with a rage-buffed FS outdamages ET. How often do you hit two or more people with FS?
Energy melee does consistently less aoe damage than almost (almost may be putting it nicely) every other set in the game. Energy melee does not even do the most single target damage. Even with both its big hitters. Seriously, how does your statement make sense to you... |
Additionally last I checked, Tankers do not get Rage so its foolish to even mention it.
Energy Melee does more damage than Super Strength prior to Foot Stomp and that much is blatantly obvious since smashing damage is resisted much more commonly than energy damage is. Can SS do more damage than EM? Sure. Fury and double stacked Rage can easily make it surpass EM, but those are special factors and factors that do not apply to every person playing the SS set.
I think a better question is how does my statement not make sense to you?
This is not a topic about whether EM is better than SS or vice versa. I am simply asking if it has even been explained why certain NPC's can do damage with Hand Clap where as we cannot.
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Heh, I love how anviliciously this speaks of Energy Melee
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Originally Posted by Novella
I think Super Strength would be a lot more fun and not so single target only if Hand Clap was made to do some damage (even if it was on the level of Whirling Hands).
Thoughts? |
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Originally Posted by Novella
Additionally last I checked, Tankers do not get Rage
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| I am simply asking if it has even been explained why certain NPC's can do damage with Hand Clap where as we cannot. |
There is nothing wrong with Super Strength - it's got good single-target and great AoE, with the price being that you have to wait until a higher level to get access to that AoE. Unfortunately, in the case of Psi Assault people complained about having to wait, so the set was rebalanced and now it's simply mediocre.
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What??? Smoke crack much?|
Originally Posted by Novella
Additionally last I checked, Tankers do not get Rage so its foolish to even mention it.
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Tanker > Secondary Powersets > Super Strength > Rage
Brute > Inherent Power > Fury
I think the question is would you be willing to remove the damage from Foot Stomp to put it in Hand Clap.
Personally, if I were to try to fix the power, I would make it a short range cone in front of the caster. Then it could do damage about the likes of Jacob's Ladder or Shadow Maul. And the knockback would be more controlled, you could direct it if you wanted to throw foes into a corner, or into another Tanker or Brute.
Then again, if we're going to "fix" Hand Clap, I'd like to hear what you plan to do about Fault, Lightning Clap, and Ice Patch, not to mention Stun or even Touch of Fear. (especially since Cobra Strike no longer lacks damage)
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Powers cannot be balanced in isolation of the rest of the powerset. What Foot Stomp and Rage do is very relevant.|
Originally Posted by Novella
Exactly, after level 39. What happens before you get Foot Stomp? You have a completely single target focused power set that can be out damaged by many other melee sets.
I know that Foot Stomp is wonderful, but I am not talking about Foot Stomp, that is completely irrelevant to anything I am talking about. |
Most Tanker sets do not get real AoEs until 28. Not even Fiery gets three 15 foot radius AoE powers, much less two 15 foot AoE powers with massive mitigation (only Stone and SS can boast that).
Yes, until level 39 a SS tanker is just great at single target damage, although they have great AoE aggro control despite that. Even if YOU were willing to give up something for damage in Hand Clap, I am pretty sure the devs are not willing to make that kind of a change.
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Originally Posted by Novella
I am simply asking if it has even been explained why certain NPC's can do damage with Hand Clap where as we cannot.
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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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Leave my Fault, Ice Patch, and Touch of Fear alone, thankyouverymuch. Unlike, say, Lightning Clap or Stun, those powers are actually quite useful - Fault lets me shut down every NPC in a spawn except bosses, permenantly; Ice Patch isn't a click that only knocks back mobs once (rather it persists and NPCs keep flopping around as long as they're in the patch); and Touch of Fear comes with a sizable tohit debuff.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Then again, if we're going to "fix" Hand Clap, I'd like to hear what you plan to do about Fault, Lightning Clap, and Ice Patch, not to mention Stun or even Touch of Fear. (especially since Cobra Strike no longer lacks damage)
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Which AV/Hero is doing damage from Handclap?
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Originally Posted by Novella
Additionally last I checked, Tankers do not get Rage so its foolish to even mention it.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Which AV/Hero is doing damage from Handclap?
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Which AV/Hero is doing damage from Handclap?
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reichsman
BABs
imperious (although you never fight him his hand clap does do dmg)
pretty much any NPC AV thats not a custom critter in AE which as hand clap from what ive seen does dmg
as per the OP, i do support giving hand clap some dmg to make it not completely worthless (as for some of your facts, not entirely accurate)
to me hand clap is a cool looking power and would be really awesome but how it is now with the massive kb and the 0 dmg, poeple dont have any reason to even bother taking it unless they want some aggro mitigation during a rage crash
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Not only did they type that, but they typed that just before they typed the following in the same post:|
Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
did you seriously type that?
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Originally Posted by Novella
Can SS do more damage than EM? Sure. Fury and double stacked Rage can easily make it surpass EM, but those are special factors and factors that do not apply to every person playing the SS set.
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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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Simple mistake. I was thinking of Fury when I typed Rage. I had more to my post which based around Fury but removed it.|
Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
What??? Smoke crack much?
Tanker > Secondary Powersets > Super Strength > Rage Brute > Inherent Power > Fury |
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
I think the question is would you be willing to remove the damage from Foot Stomp to put it in Hand Clap.
Personally, if I were to try to fix the power, I would make it a short range cone in front of the caster. Then it could do damage about the likes of Jacob's Ladder or Shadow Maul. And the knockback would be more controlled, you could direct it if you wanted to throw foes into a corner, or into another Tanker or Brute. Then again, if we're going to "fix" Hand Clap, I'd like to hear what you plan to do about Fault, Lightning Clap, and Ice Patch, not to mention Stun or even Touch of Fear. (especially since Cobra Strike no longer lacks damage) |
I know nothing about Fault so I can't really chime in on that. I have wanted damage on Lightning Clap for a long time and even made a thread about it a long time ago in the Blasters thread. Ice Patch doesn't need anything changed because of the type of power it is. Ice Patch has far better uses than Hand Clap in my opinion. Stun is another power that I am content with not touching because I like the function of that power. I would like to see the animation shortened, but that's about it. I personally think Touch of Fear is useless on a Tanker or Brute, but that is my opinion. I love the power on Stalkers and Scrappers, but I skip it on my Tanker and would never take it.
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
did you seriously type that?
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Not sure what made you giggle. It's true. Stacked Rage is not something everyone does on the SS characters and since Fury doesn't apply to Tankers that is added damage that Brutes get that Tankers do not get.|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Not only did they type that, but they typed that just before they typed the following in the same post:
It made me giggle. |
Depending on how you build your character you may only have three slots in Rage and just enough recharge to make it overlap once rather than twice or the three times that some builds have.
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Has it ever been explained why certain AV/Heroes version of Hand Clap does damage while the players version does not?.
I think Super Strength would be a lot more fun and not so single target only if Hand Clap was made to do some damage (even if it was on the level of Whirling Hands).
Thoughts?
"People love to talk, but hate to listen." Alice Duer Miller, American Author (1874-1942)