Defense-based toons pretty much useless?

He is right though, several posters have already answered your initial question and explained you why you're wrong in your assumptions, yet you keep insisting that:

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Originally Posted by SPiNE Still, I'm saying that resistance-based armors have more potential to become better from IO bonuses. If we're just comparing resistance armor with defense armor without any set bonuses from IO's, then yes defense-based armors would be just as good if not better...but IO's and set bonuses change everything.

Which is simply a lie.

Hmmm, can I do math on that?

30% defense + 70% dam-res versus 45% defense.

The first guy gets hit 1 out of every 5 attacks for 30% damage.
The second guy gets hit 1 out of every 20 attacks for 100% damage.

So for 20 attacks that do 100 points of damage each:
First guy takes 4*100*.3 = 120 points of damage
Second guy takes 1*100*1 = 100 points of damage

In that particular case, the softcapped defense guy wins.

Defense toons get DDR, Resistance toons do not.

Just about every mob I can think of does some sortof DDR. Any Gun or Sword attacks lowerd defense, most Stone or Earth powers do as well. Some Psi damage likes to do -Def

This is one reason why Defense sets benefit more from Defense bonuses than Resistance based, they won't loose as much when debuffed.

Also, if you can softcap a resistance based set to all three positions, or all 6 types (excluding psi cause that is rather hard to do) and say it is NOT gimped I would like to see it.

I even believe that if you just softcap S/L, while you will do fairly well, you still won't be overly more sturdy than a defense toon.

This is why I hate the IO bonuses. the power of the IO bonuses have really skewed (screwed more likely) many powersets. Many powersets that were perfectly balanced around their defenses, weaknesses and abilities but IO sets have changed their effectiveness drastically.

IO sets weren't a bad idea, but the way they were implemented was, they weren't balanced. gaining 3.13 defense to melee is huge. Thats 6.26% melee mitigation from a minion of equal level from a single IO set.

I havent planned out a whining rant for this one but ill give an example so for all 4 people that read my posts don't have to read a whole lot:

A set that gives resistance gives upwards of 2-3%
A set that gives defense can go as high as 3.75%

But whats the problem? The defense bonuses are positional, thus they affect every damage type that is in that position. The ressitance sets only give resistance to that damage type, which may or may not be common in the enemy your fighting at the moment.

Stacking resistance from IO sets is impossible to do with all resistances and the bonuses are so low that it would be a waste of time anyway.

Stacking Defense is very easy considering how many sets have '+3.75% position defense' which is not only easy to come by but is astronomically better for surviveability when conpared to Resistance as a whole.

Positional resistance will never happen but could we possibly get sets that give 'spectrum resistance' that cover lethal,smash,cold,fire,NRG,NNRG? The bonuses dont have to be numerically equal to defense but it would be nice to have the option to stack resistances on top of my typed-defense characters (poor poor energy aura and ice armor)

Quite the opposite, imo.

NOW we know why he thought what he thought.

(In low levels, if the mobs had a 100% to hit, they would NEVER miss, :I. Ever notice mobs NEVER missing?)

It's good to know that a blaster /w softcapped defenses is a better damage soaker than my Elec/Elec tank (rolls eyes). Game is broken in this regard.

Can we PLEASE get a fix to this? Seriously.

Your Tanker could be just as good as that Blaster at avoiding (not soaking up - that's resistance) damage if you put the same effort into slotting the right sets.

And, of course, given the same soft-capped Defense, your Tanker'll be even better than the Blaster because any damage that DOES get through won't turn you into a wet smear on the ground like it will the Blaster.

thats great and all but considering that it's even remotely possible makes it broken. Sure, I can proably soak up 5% more damage due to my resistance stacked with my softcapped (or near softcapped) defense and I have taunt so i'm still going to be tanking for a team, but your a blaster, you absorb nearly as much as I do AND deal massive damage very quickly, thus killing enemies that are attmepting to harm you, thus reducing your net incoming dps: it's magetanking. Something the devs first found out was bad. They apparently don't think so anymore.

If you got a blaster and have softcapped defense, I don't envy you. But do you think it's fair that you, as a blaster, are a better tanker than a tanker?

It's magetanking. There is no simpler way to put it. Hopefully CoH2 won't be so horribly unbalanced in it's endgame content. From 1-49 the game is fun and fairly balanced. Once you hit 50 and start IOing your chracters out, you start to see that many archetypes are unnecessary on some of the toughest 'challenges' in the game.