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I'm not a minimalist. I like to tell the story in the way I think is most conducive to getting what I want across. You're trying to get across the power of Sentinel over Iron Man and possibly the intensity of the fight, at least on Iron Man's side. To do this a minimalist approach is used. And it's not just that it is minimalistic either. It is also about time. Each panel represents time. The more panels the more time it take, the less panels the less time... You want to slow down the first page to make it dramatic and give the reader that immersion but the fight itself, you make it between the panels and to the reader it gives the feel that they are sorta Iron Man about to fight...Time slows, but then bam it's over in a blink. That happens in a fight with the power like this that is disproportional for both sides.
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Originally Posted by Juggertha
Durakken: I get what you're saying. You're a minimalist. I agree with you about not every action needs to be shown. hat being said, your desription reads a little bit more like a novel illustration than a comic panel. No worries though, I'll try to take it and see if I can 'speak without talking' in the next pages a bit more.
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I don't think I would find Durakken's version of your comic as dynamically pleasing as one with more flair to it (e.g. basically what you've got going). If I want to think about things between the lines, I'll go read a book; I want my comics to be eye-candy, and then thought about after I've closed the pages.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I'm probably the opposite. Time isn't dependent on the number of panels used to depict a confrontation, as the time compression factor will be something that the writer and artist work out between them, and is largely dependent on the relative characteristics of the combatants.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
You're trying to get across the power of Sentinel over Iron Man and possibly the intensity of the fight, at least on Iron Man's side. To do this a minimalist approach is used. And it's not just that it is minimalistic either. It is also about time. Each panel represents time. The more panels the more time it take, the less panels the less time... You want to slow down the first page to make it dramatic and give the reader that immersion but the fight itself, you make it between the panels and to the reader it gives the feel that they are sorta Iron Man about to fight...Time slows, but then bam it's over in a blink. That happens in a fight with the power like this that is disproportional for both sides.
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Hero A and Villain B go head to head in a slugfest - shown in four or five panels. The length of time represented in those panels could be a matter of seconds, or it could be minutes. The blows traded, and the nature of the exchange (balanced, slight advantage, somewhat onesided, completely outclassed etc.) is shown in the panels themselves.
It gets even tricker when you script a confrontation in panels using melee weapons, firearms, and of course super powers.
There are certainly lots of heroes and villains in comics who could one shot opponents into unconsciousness (or death) if they wanted to. But it doesn't tend to make for thrilling viewing in a comic book if every encounter took place in one or two panels every-time the hero or villain got into a fight.
The coloured result for Page 1 is awesome. My eyes tend to jump all over the place without words to follow, so (in my specific case) the words work really well for me - even if they don't tell the whole story.
The attitudes fit (and the poses fit the dialogue). Iron Man picks the fight, as somehow he feels obliged. Sentry has somehow decided it is inevitable. So... the inevitable follows. Smoothly.
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Comrade, I agree. If you did it all the time and never showed the fight, but we're talking a specific case, not every time.
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Originally Posted by Comrade Hero
There are certainly lots of heroes and villains in comics who could one shot opponents into unconsciousness (or death) if they wanted to. But it doesn't tend to make for thrilling viewing in a comic book if every encounter took place in one or two panels every-time the hero or villain got into a fight.
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Well, I'm about 66% done.
Page 1
Page 2
It's kind of just your style, I think, and I kind of dig it... But isn't Sentry a hero, basically? The paleness with heavy shadow on him gives him a bit of a villain aspect, I think...
Then again, it seems as if he's at least gone a bit rogue here so I guess it works in that way anyway...
But it's looking pretty cool.
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Sentry is basically a hero, but has "gone rogue" a few times in the past anyway, according to my trolling of Wikipedia when this thread first popped up. He fights against The Hulk a few times, f'rex.|
Originally Posted by Caemgen
It's kind of just your style, I think, and I kind of dig it... But isn't Sentry a hero, basically? The paleness with heavy shadow on him gives him a bit of a villain aspect, I think...
Then again, it seems as if he's at least gone a bit rogue here so I guess it works in that way anyway...But it's looking pretty cool. |
Juggy: I really like where this is going! One nitpick, the colors are off on the first page: Iron Man is kind of maroon and beige and Sentry is a washed out purplish-blue and beige. Second page nails it though, just need to poke at the colors on the first.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Thanks. I see that color difference too and will be adjusting it.
I'm thinking that this is done
Sentry vs Ironman
Thanks for all the input and ideas.
I love it! I think you did a great job on the final. One nitpick... page 2 bottom left panel, it should be "thought" not "thoght" but that's it!
Fantastic work Juggertha. I feel sorry for Tony, but dang, he seriously bit off more than his iron butt could handle
Oooh wait I got one... his human mouth wrote a check his iron butt couldn't cash? 
While I wasn't able to provide any kind of useful help (my comics creation knowledge is extremely limited) during your work on this I wanted to say I really like the layout and direction you took in the end and I think I even learned a few things here. Good work Juggertha.
Finally done this - thanks for all the thoughts and opinions on it.
Shine and fade FTW.
Juggy, I really enjoyed reading as well as looking at the art of your Sentry vs Ironman piece!!!
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Durakken: I get what you're saying. You're a minimalist. I agree with you about not every action needs to be shown. hat being said, your desription reads a little bit more like a novel illustration than a comic panel. No worries though, I'll try to take it and see if I can 'speak without talking' in the next pages a bit more.
Thornster: That's very close to how I was picturing it.